Loz

Frankito Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Where is the carwash at Sainsbugs? In the car park of Dulwich Hamlets FC. Follow the sign to Abbotswood Road.

You can buy pork haslet from Sainsburys. Never tried it myself, just saw someone else buy it and didn't have a clue what it was.

If you can't use Skype, try Telediscount - I use them to ring Oz all the time. You just ring an 0844 number, the cost varies depending on the country, but Australia is usually 2p per min. All prices and access numbers are on their website.

It's interesting that the French have almost the same legends of King Arthur/Merlin/etc, but all set in Brittany. Pretty much stuffs up some of the best jokes in Holy Grail.

THIS whole CAPITALS thing IS really QUITE annoying.

Actually, I was thinking it was more a a cross between http://www.lowcarboneconomy.com/Resources/NewsImages/Gordon+Brown_1235_18830503_1_0_7018685_300320x320.jpg and http://stu19.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/annewiddicombe.jpg AAAARGGGH!

Thomas Micklewright Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bonjour, > > Page 4 of the South London Press today - check out > the article on Foie Gras and let me know your > views. You didn't make page 3? Did you offer to take your top off?

I thought the ad was a spoof... then realised.

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (the word only has two dictionary definitions) Not true. The Oxford dictionary has a number of definitions: Noun 1 [derogatory] an effeminate man. 2 a man who lives off a prostitute's earnings. verb 1. live off a prostitute's earnings. 2. [with object] ask for or obtain (something to which one is not strictly entitled):I ponced a cigarette off her Phrasal Verbs 1. ponce around/about - behave in a ridiculous, ineffective, or posturing way:I ponced around in front of the mirror Proper Noun 1. a city and a municipality in the southern part of Puerto Rico Plus, of course, there is the general slang use of the word, which as SJ pointed out is "An individual who attempts to fake having intelligence, class, or culture." I have to say, that has always been my understanding of the most widely accepted meaning of the word. The etymology is interesting: WH Auden! Who'd have guessed?

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DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz...I think the argument for the banning of the > gras has been well made and without it being a > vegeterian crusade. Give Thomas a break. But it is a vegetarian crusade. As I said, there is a difference between convincing individual people not to eat fois gras versus running around leaning on people not to sell an entirely legal product.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Read the OP again Loz. Who said anything about a > protest or demands? Thomas has every right to > encourage people if he so chooses. Where has he > issued a threat? You would think HE had done > something wrong given the tone of your post. I asked a question, Alan, as I am allowed to do if I so choose. Thomas has so far chosen not to answer, which is also his right. People can make of that what they will, which is, of course, their right.

Well expect to be named in the paper as being successfully 'converted' by the veggies then, Brendan. So, for the South London press, Tom's list of successful PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES WHO AGREE TO STOP SELLING FOIS GRAS - EDT (It'll just be chips, gravy and peas now, though occasionally baby panda when in season) - Blue Brick Cafe (that they convinced a veggie cafe to stop selling fois gras is just amazing.) - 120 Veggies and Vegans (who have all replaced it with forced rhubarb) - Dulwich Hardware - A Hairdresser - Brendan

Rozza Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've searched the electoral roll and Caroline > Roche is registered at xxx. > > Hope that helps! I'd PM that sort of info, Rozza. She may not appreciate her address being broadcast.

Thomas Micklewright Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > South London Press will be kindly running this > Foie Gras story tomorrow - be sure to buy a copy, > it'll come with a wonderful picture of me outside > Blue Brick Cafe. I believe SLP have been known to frequent the EDF - hopefully they will depict both sides of the story. Did the Blue Brick cafe ever serve fois gras? Next you'll be telling us you've convinced Dulwich Hardware and the local hairdressers to stop serving it. > I do have the support of over 120 people on my Dulwich Vegan and Veggie mailing list, although > thats not the point, its within my right to call a manager of restaurants and chat to them about > their stock. They decide their stock lists. You didn't answer my question, Thomas. Do you threaten to step up protest if a manager does not accede to your demands (well, at least in the places that really, actually serve it)? Maybe the SLP will investigate your methods and not just do a puff piece.

I think it comes down to personal decision - if eating fois gras makes you uncomfortable, then don't. By all means educate the public (honestly, please), but running around pressurising restaurants, etc., to stop selling it is just wrong. I'd be interested to know Thomas's methods. Did he: a) ask the restaurants in question to stop selling fois gras - to which they said, "What a jolly good idea. We will stop immediately. Gosh, us professional chefs never knew how fois gras was made." b) 'ask' the restaurants in question to stop selling fois gras on the basis that if they don't then a bunch of protesters will be outside the restaurant next week demonstrating? And the week after. And the week after that. Which was it? I wonder...

Most videos produced by animal rights groups are carefully edited to show any process at it's worst. That's not to say the fois gras process is sweetness and loveliness - it's not. But I can pretty much guarantee that if you watch any video of an abattoir at work - even a non-animal rights one - you will feel a little queasy. Who watched the Gordon Ramsay programme when he raised and then slaughtered a pair of pigs? Who looked away at the fatal moment? Picking up your sealed tray of meat from your local supermarket, you are entirely divorced from the process and most people are happy in not knowing. Chicken processing lines, especially, would make most people wince. These days we kid ourselves and console ourselves that the animal we are chewing on 'had a good life'. Even seen a cow get a bolt or a bullet to the brain? Ever seen a fish die of suffocation? If the fois gras process makes you uncomfortable then you should really question any meat you eat - anything else risks a degree of hypocrisy. Maybe you should take the time to visit an abattoir. Or even just go fishing. Anyway, for balance, here is a video of the traditional fois gras production process. And here's another that . Still not for the faint of heart, but these, at least, haven't had the Viva "shock! horror!" treatment.

If Jessica Ennis wasn't there it will be a first for a 2012 promo...

katie1997 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > (Going off topic, cannot believe I'm discussing rights to > eat foie gras locally when I hear about the famine in Somalia) :( Thanks for the inadvertent reminder, Katie. Saw that on the lunchtime news and promised myself to send some dosh to the DEC appeal. Just remembered to do it after I saw your post. http://www.dec.org.uk/ if anyone else would like to join me in sending some help Somalia's way.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thomas Micklewright Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > East Dulwich Tavern, Beauberry House and > Franklins have > > stopped serving foie gras - yes because we asked > them to. > > You still maintain that the EDT previously served > foie gras? Foie gras with chips, peas and gravy used to be a very popular dish at the EDT, I'll have you know...

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And btw foie gras production is BANNED in the > UK.....why do you think that is? As a sop to meddling do-gooders? Production is banned, but import and selling it not? Sounds like a compromise to make the protesters STFU. How much was produced in the UK before the ban?

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On the flipside though, I've not heard a single valid > reason for producing foie gras beyond 'because I > like to eat it'. Surely you could apply that logic to any form of dead animal? Go down that route and we'd all end up as (*gasp*) veggies. Just the thought of it makes me want an emergency ham sandwich.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really? You don't think there is anything wrong > with someone who has no democratic mandate > whatsoever preventing my access to a consumer good > in local businesses that had previously stocked it > with no complaints (to the best of our > knowledge)? > > That smacks of a one-man dictatorship, not a > democracy. Actually, I respect his right to protest. I hope he respects other people's right to stop him via protest.

DJKillaQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Having said that, to then say why > should men care about rape, equility etc just > because one stupid woman exercises no boundaries > of taste is equally daft. Agreed. Unfortunately I couldn't find a completely clean copy of the programme and, as I said, didn't actually make it that far when I first posted. The point is that what Osbourne said was beyond the pale and she should be treated the same way Andy Gray and Ron Atkinson were. Her remarks were very much in the same league of offensiveness and she should be off the TV for good.

I'm a bit miffed the fois gras thread is getting more attention. I mean, one thread is all about banning the products from a large, overfed, old stupid bird... and the other is about pate.