Sue

Leaving aside any other issues, I can't understand why The Begging Bowl are not publicising this campaign themselves.

My "redelivery" never arrived yesterday either.

Call me cynical, but I can see where this is leading. Royal Mail will cease house to house deliveries. Every home will have a box somewhere, probably miles away, where their post will be placed. They will have a key, or a card, and will have to go and pick it all up, and probably pay for the privilege. Mark my words etc etc ETA: Oh and the redelivery I have been waiting in for hasn't arrived yet. I suppose there's still time ... just looked at the tracking site and at 6.26am it said it was due to be delivered today by "East Dulwich DO". Which no longer exists. Oh well.

This is on The Ivy House Facebook page: We can confirm that we reached an agreement with staff representatives on Tuesday 2nd October and the Ivy House began trading again that evening. We are pleased to be able to start moving forward together with our team of staff. While we have always recognised the importance of treating ​our staff well (and our commitment to paying the London Living Wage reflects this), we are also committed to reviewing our employment practices to help foster a strong and productive working relationship that reflects ​both our community values and our need to be a profitable business, and to ensuring that the Ivy House is a great place to work. Union recognition We welcome the chance to work towards recognition of the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers Union (BFAWU) and have been happy to move forward with this since some of our staff made this request on Sunday morning. Fixed hour contracts We have always offered fixed hour contracts​ to those who want them, but the agreement we've now reached means that all non-permanent staff will be migrated to a form of fixed hour contract which formalises the minimum number of shifts the Ivy House will offer, negotiated according to each individual's availability, and which will try to reflect staff's expectations of hours. This will take the needs of the business into account in order for us to remain financially viable, and our staff recognise this. Staff migrating to the​se new contracts will be afforded the full disciplinary process that was not previously a feature of their working arrangements. We recognise that ​this process is an important aspect of fair working relationships and we also recognise the distress caused to the staff concerned, who have been reinstated ​pending fresh disciplinary procedures during which they will have an opportunity to respond to the issues we identified. Disruption to customers In undertaking these negotiations we have been mindful of both our need to rebuild relations with staff, and our responsibility to protect the Ivy House as a viable business which can thrive long into the future. As a small independent enterprise, the pub cannot withstand the financial impact of ​a strike without warning and without the usual notice requirements, and this meant we couldn't plan for the disruption that followed. We have therefore secured a commitment from our staff that legally required steps will be followed in the case of any future industrial action - although we very much hope this won't be required. We apologise for the disruption in trading experienced by all of our shareholders, customers and event organisers and promoters over the last few days. We really value our staff and continue to see them as an essential part of the community and the pub, and we look forward to renewing a relationship based on mutual respect in which all parties have the best interests of the Ivy House at heart, and can work towards a future that includes both success as a business and strength as a community project. With best wishes, All of us on the Ivy House Management Committee

I thought West Norwood had been reprieved?

I'm expecting a requested redelivery today. I'm not holding my breath. A pack of magazines which we sell at our gigs was posted out first class on 19 September (as we found out later). We had a sold out gig on 28 September and had no magazines to sell. This was particularly unfortunate since our headliner was on the cover. When they still hadn't turned up by 1 October, we contacted the sender, who sent another pack out the same day. Both packs arrived in the same delivery on 2 October. GRRRRRRRRRRRR.

The Dulwich art trail takes place over two weekends during the Dulwich Festival in May. The Nunhead art trail was last weekend.

The Organised Mum Method also has a Facebook group. You can download (free) a load of cleaning plans etc.. Some of the Facebook members do seem to be a bit obsessive with cleanliness though (some of them seem to disinfect everything in sight, and wash towels and bedding every day ?!?!?!?!?! I don't know how they ever find time to do anything else!) ETA: Monkey, it might be doing other people on here a favour if you let us know who the cleaning people who trashed your house were. That sounds really appalling.

The drinking issue is irrelevant. It is a very dangerous crossing. End of. (If that's still an expression).

So. If somebody is injured, or worse, by something falling from this building, who is responsible? The owner? Or the council, who cannot claim that they were not aware? Or somebody else?

Somebody has just been killed on Albert embankment by a window falling on them from a building

alice Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > According to person at drop in everyone was sent a > letter in Barry rd Well maybe, but the post hasn't exactly been reliable lately, has it?!

I've just heard that the strike is over and that The Ivy House will be open tonight. Good news!

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The speed with which social media took the > strikers side appalled me as there?s no way a lot > of those people could know all the facts. And me.

The Ivy House has arranged a shareholders' meeting on 17 October (I believe 14 days notice is required) so that community shareholders can ask questions directly. Obviously there will be emailed updates before then.

NewWave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've been 8 months battling to move gp's the NHS > is a mess at the moment I moved GPs last year with no problems at all. All I had to do was to register with another GP and provide proof of ID and my address. I didn't have to inform my old GP. Obviously you have to be in the catchment area of the GP you want to change to. I can't understand why it would take so long or be a battle (unless the new GP wasn't accepting new patients for some reason?)

Thank you for that number. I shall be phoning it!

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have to say that so far the Ivy House seems to > be the more credible of the two sides in this. > > The striking workers haven?t publically put > forward anything to explain the details of their > complaints, which I think they should; if nothing > else they have the right to be heard, and they > obviously feel strongly about their cause. If > they?re reading this I would encourage them to do > so. > > I personally abhor zero-hours contracts, and any > establishment that seeks to avoid them has my > support. I?d like to know why the workers and > management are unable to come to an agreement on > this. I find it a bit odd, because I had always understood that the Ivy House bar staff were in favour of zero hour contracts because they enabled them to fit their Ivy House work flexibly around their other work, projects and commitments.

peckman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dulwich fox/sue > > May I suggest a charity boxing match between you > too or something. Please let's focus on the matter > at hand and if DFOR if you don't leave east > Dulwich and go to the IHead it's literally nothing > to do with you Yes, I agree and I have already apologised for posting on here in error.

You posted saying I was banned from Franklins, which was totally untrue. I have never been banned from anywhere in my life. I asked you to delete the post. You didn't. I asked you to apologise. You haven't. I have had the owner of Franklins asking me who you are, because he saw the post in question. And you have made frequent posts on the EDF suggesting that people should not buy community shares in The Ivy House because they would get little or no financial return on their investment. ETA: Oh God sorry people that was supposed to be a private message, really sorry but now it's here I will leave it. Profuse apologies for derailing an important thread. DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rendelharris Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Thanks for the info BNG, clearly more nuanced > > than > > > some have assumed and good to see that IH are > > > recognising unions and offering fixed-hours > > > contracts (and always have). Perhaps a > certain > > > poster above would like to withdraw their > > > unfounded, ill-informed and malicious > > accusations? > > > > > > Well that certain poster, aka Dulwich Fox, has > > never withdrawn unfounded statements about me > he > > posted on this forum, nor apologised, despite > > requests, so I wouldn't hold your breath. > > > > As noted above, he has always appeared to wish > The > > Ivy House to fail, right from the time the > > community shares were offered. > > Sue.. You have often remarked that Quote.. Your > memory is 'Crap' > > It was You that made unfounded statements about me > when you suggested I had fallen out with Jaflong > over a conflict with Dulwich Tandoori. 2 or so > years back. > > At the time Jaflong had been scammed by a fake > reporter claiming they would be putting a full > page ad in a local paper. At the same time Dul Tan > had a full page ad in the same paper. > > Although the two restaurants had a bit of Argy > Bargy between them, I was not involved and I > certainly did not > have any conflict at the time with either > restaurant. > > That was the incident that you are wrongly > remembering. > > > I have never 'Wished' the Ivy House to fail. > I don't have much interest in any venue that is > not in East Dulwich. > I seldom venture out of the area in the evening. > I support my LOCAL establishments and businesses. > > My recent comments were based on the input from > the initial posts about sacked people and my > concern for them. > Sue, you need to stop this personal vendetta with > me when ever I post. > > > DulwichFox. > > P.S. Thats all I will say on the matter.

I will continue this by private message. It is you who is referring to the wrong incident, but I have no wish to inflict a lengthy post on anybody else.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks for the info BNG, clearly more nuanced than > some have assumed and good to see that IH are > recognising unions and offering fixed-hours > contracts (and always have). Perhaps a certain > poster above would like to withdraw their > unfounded, ill-informed and malicious accusations? Well that certain poster, aka Dulwich Fox, has never withdrawn unfounded statements about me he posted on this forum, nor apologised, despite requests, so I wouldn't hold your breath. As noted above, he has always appeared to wish The Ivy House to fail, right from the time the community shares were offered.

Please nobody jump to any conclusions until we know all sides of this. I write as an Ivy House shareholder and a lover of the pub. ETA: Community shareholder, to clarify.

sandyman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fed Ex, DHL etc leave parcels with neighbours if > nobody is in. I don't think Royal Mail does this > but why not? > > I presume they would argue that it might add to > their posties' workload but not as much as their > workload will increase if everyone asks for > re-deliveries because they can't bear to go to the > Peckham office. I have had Royal Mail items left with neighbours, and theirs with me, but I have no idea if that is official policy.

I was at the meeting too, and my recollection is the same as Kiera's. The union rep gave a very weird speech, and Helen Hayes' eyes and mine met during it, as it was quite clear that he and his members were not in fact generally opposed to the move. Some individual posties may have been of course, and probably more are opposed now they have realised the reality of the situation, but Royal Mail's consultation would have been with the union, not with individual posties.