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SallyBeck Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry to hear that Sue. What is wrong with some > people hiding behind a keyboard? They should > really get a life! xxxxx No problem with hiding behind a keyboard, it's what they type and to whom that's the issue. Keyboards are part of life these days, after all. Anyway I decided life was indeed too short to bother with somebody who's clearly either eaten a swarm of wasps or is two sandwiches short of a picnic. He or she has probably moved on to insult somebody else.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Those sorts of crypticisms are probably better > continued in the "is there a god?" thread! xxxxxxx Yeh I gave up on that thread quite early :)) Different paradigms. You can't use logical or scientific reasoning to prove or disprove something which is outwith a paradigm based around scientific method. I'm not even sure the words "prove" and "disprove" make any sense in the context of God. Sorry, I'm rusty on the terminology so that all probably sounds completely wrong, but I know what I mean :)) In any case, how are we defining "God"? Religion, however, is something else completely. And Bible preaching people coming to your door are something else again :))

Enormous thanks to the people who have offered to help with donations towards the cost, however there are organisational problems with that. Enormous thanks also to the people who have suggested possible avenues to investigate, all of which we are following up.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I actually think that logical flaws in his > arguments are very rare. His points are often > simplistic and obvious, but I don't think it takes > particularly sophisticated thinking to argue > against something that doesn't have a shred of > evidence. xxxxxxx I don't have the book any more because I gave it to a charity shop, but there is no way he disproves the existence of God. But hey, Descartes didn't succeed despite two good tries, so why should Richard Dawkins? ETA: Oh, actually it's just occurred to me that Descartes was trying to prove that God exists. Long time since I studied philosophy :)) All I recall is the ontological argument, which others disproved :)) As you were ..... ETA: Sorry I seem to have succeeded in getting this lounged. Apologies.

If the scam was carried out as described by Jimmyv, presumably there would need to be at least two people involved - one to distract and one to take the card (and to advise you to re-enter your pin). Because I can't see how the distracter (word?!) could lean across and take the card at the same time as distracting you, unless he was David Blaine :))

Unfortunately I think Richard Dawkins has some very flawed arguments in "The God Delusion". I found the book extremely disappointing. Though I suppose he has some fair points about "religion", which is probably what we are discussing here. It's just he confuses arguments about "religion" with arguments about the existence of God - totally different things. But I'm not sure this is the thread to discuss it :)) In fact I'm sure it isn't :)) There is a thread somewhere else. Lounge? But never the twain will meet, because people arguing for and against the existence of God are in my experience arguing from (?wrong word?) different paradigms, so it's a totally pointless discussion ...... As you were .... ETA: The meme idea is interesting, but just because something is evolutionarily advantageous doesn't necessarily make it untrue! So again I think his reasoning is flawed.

If there are any, I'm sure the wool shop in Lordship Lane (previously Moo Too) would know about them. You could ask in there?

mashcov Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I find > it highly suspicious that the posters at this > forum see fit to report the minutae of the tiniest > real or imagined offences in this area but have > nothing to say on this shocking subject. xxxxxxxxx "Suspicious"? In what way, exactly? Probably they, like me, have not heard anything about it. Can we have a link to the news report please?

The trouble is, they ALL seem to SINCERELY believe a) that they and only they are right and b) that anybody who does not share their beliefs will go to hell. It is virtually impossible to argue with them, for example some Christians I have met, who are otherwise lovely people, believe that you will go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus - even if you are born and brought up in an environment where you have no opportunity to even hear of Jesus (hence the missionaries, I suppose). Others just cannot apparently see even very basic contradictions in the way they live their lives, eg a Christian I met who had fought in WW2 but did not seem to understand that by so doing he had broken various commandments eg "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself". Or whatever they are. And when you ask why a supposedly all-loving, all-merciful God of the "God Is Love" variety should see fit to condemn large numbers of people including young babies to eternal hell because they don't happen to have had the opportunity to take Jesus into their lives, or however they term it, they can't give any kind of reasonable answer.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Only 144,000 of the believers will be saved xxxxxx What are the criteria for choosing the 144,000, then?! Belief is a very strange thing. Why do (some) people believe something just because somebody else tells them it's true? I've never understood this about religion. Personal experience of God (or whatever you wish to call it) - yes, I can understand that. Belief based on no personal experience whatsoever - WHY???

At least if they come to your door you can tell them you're not interested. I was once on a 176 and there were two of them (if memory serves) preaching at us ON THE BUS!! VERY VERY LOUDLY!! They started off at the bus stop at the Elephant, then they got on the BLOODY BUS!! A captive audience is really unfair. My ex used to ask them in. On one occasion it was the ones who believe that come judgment day all the dead believers will be bodily brought back to life on earth, or something. He asked them where all these people would stand, as there wouldn't physically be enough space. They went away and never came back :))

I don't understand this, surely you only put your pin in once the card is actually in the machine, so at what point did this guy steal the card? He must have seen the pin being entered otherwise he wouldn't have been able to use the card down the road?

Counner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Same thing happened to my friend at Tescos and > sorry to say it but they weren't interested > either. xxxxxxx I think you're on the wrong thread?? http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,1055314

Fox cut itself on a can whilst trawling for food?

About to PM you, KalamityKel, thanks.

KalamityKel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > out of curiousity which companies have u tried? > im not noseying who quoted what just who uve > decided to not use... i might have some ideas but > might not b wot/whom ur after... xxxxxx It's not a matter of "deciding not to use" anyone - it's a matter of not having sufficient money available to pay what they have quoted. For avoidance of doubt, this is what we need: Outdoor stage large enough for a four or five piece band Cover for stage Appropriate PA with sound desk and speakers for an outdoor event Cover for PA Somebody to dig channel in Goose Green turf for cables and cover in again Generator or some other means of power Transport to and from Goose Green Stage crew to erect and dismantle stage Sound technician Appropriate mics, mic stands, cables, DI boxes etc (I presume these would be included with the PA but if not we have some we can provide) If you have some ideas as to possible providers, please PM me, that would be great, thanks :)

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Perhaps they will be identical when the renovation > is complete! xxxxxx Hopefully not, because the imitation Concrete House behind the original one is hideous :))

handymaneast dulwich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have a pa system you could use i am not sure > what sort of system your after but i have 2 very > large speakers cables mics etc ? could also help > build a stage if materials are provided. xxxxxxx That's really kind of you Handyman. We have our own PA system and have access to others, but for an outside event we need something much more powerful (sorry, I realise I'm assuming yours wouldn't be. It would be great if you could PM me details) - plus a generator. The stage is problematical because it needs adjustable legs for use on uneven ground, plus it needs to be waterproof. We have a modular stage which somebody very kindly built for us recently for use at our concerts Upstairs at the Dog, but because it is neither waterproof nor has adjustable legs it would not be suitable for Goose Green. We also need a cover for the stage in case of rain, cover for the sound desk etc ditto, transport for everything and a sound technician experienced in outdoor events (our Goose sound guy is fantastic, but is a perfectionist and does not want to attempt to do the sound for an outdoor event of this size). ETA: We have now exhausted all our personal contacts and - as said above - the commercial rate for everything we need is prohibitive. ETA: I hasten to add my OH Nygel is also involved in this, I'm not doing it all on my own :))

Just two of several previous threads about the Concrete House and the (non) identical building behind it: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,185836,943736#msg-943736 http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,410066,page=1

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Good idea but possibly a bit late to organise now > ...." > > depends on how much money surely? > > I can't imagine the shotfall between cost and > funds is so great a few local businesses couldn't > cobble something together - but without even a > ballpark figure people aren't going to just > volunteer xxxxxx We are not in charge of the budget, and I don't want to post figures up here as I don't have authority to do that. I have PMed you.

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Local business sponsorship to bridge the gap? > > John K xxxxxxx Good idea but possibly a bit late to organise now ....

But this has been known for ages. The people doing it have a website about it. There's at least one thread on the forum about it. I think it's great it's becoming housing association flats, personally.

If you PM me I can explain the situation further.

Admin, apologies if this is in the wrong section and if so please move, but for obvious reasons we'd like as many people as possible to see this ASAP. The Goose Is Out! ( http://www.thegooseisout.com ) has provided the music at the Dulwich Festival Fair on Goose Green for the past two years. We and all the musicians give our time for free (well, water and a few cans of Stella :) ) and the only cost to the festival organisers is the hire of the stage, PA and sound technician. This year we have experienced huge difficulty in finding an outdoor stage/PA to hire at a price which the festival can afford. We have been looking since October and have exhausted the options which we know about. This is now getting time-critical as the Fair is on Sunday 12 May and we can't book musicians unless/until we have a stage (although we are now looking at options without a stage!). Can anybody out there help? If so, please PM me if either you have a stage/PA to hire or you know somebody who does - thanks!

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