Sue

Hurrah, what a happy ending :)

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sweetiepie! > > Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May... xxxxxxxx Eh?

kingcup?

Mikecg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Except there are less wicker men around ED Sue. xxxxx :))

Louise_mckenna Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue seems to think we > live in a village in Sussex. XXXXXX I did used to live in a village in Sussex - Ditchling. I was born and brought up in South London and have lived in East Dulwich for nearly twenty years. I think I'm well able to distinguish Sussex from East Dulwich :) Edited to say: And I feel no more unsafe here than I did in Ditchling.

Nice to discuss things calmly with you too, Louisa :)

Louisa Wrote: > Peckham is one of the fundamental reasons this > area is so sensitive to violent crime. I would not > walk north of Peckham Rye after dark even on a > well lit road such as Rye Lane. It is an unsafe > area xxxxxx And your criteria for an unsafe area are ...... ??

sophiesofa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do men really get mugged more than women? I don't > know any men that have been mugged but I know > quite a few that women who have. I just don't see > why a mugger would pick a man to mug over a woman. > I think men are more likely to be the victim of > some violent crimes because of things like pub > arguments etc. xxxxxxx My ex was attacked at night by several complete strangers while just walking down the street - in Bristol, not London. He lay on his back and flung his arms out as if to say "go on, give me a good kicking then." It completely threw them, and they left without hurting him at all.

Gnats!!!!!

Mikecg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok try fend off a maniac knife weilding crack head > at midnight desperate for a fix and let me know > how you get on. xxxxxxx What a positive contribution to the debate! So this hypothetical maniac (yeh I've noticed ED is crawling with them) would only target women walking by themselves, then?

Well said Peckham Rose

Parents who have those two-seater buggies where one poor child sits at the back with nothing to look at. The kids always look really miserable. Would the parents like to be walked around staring at a blank wall all day?! I'm sure they're easier to get in and out of shops etc, and I know from personal experience that it's a nightmare in small shops and on buses with a double buggy where the kids sit side by side, but surely that's preferable to making one of your kids have absolutely no stimulation apart from being able to see out of the sides a bit? Actually I suppose it causes me sorrow rather than irrational rage ......

Do they actually serve any useful purpose?

Louise_mckenna Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue I think you are going slightly over the top > with this. I am a 'modern woman' if you like, but > I would never walk home alone from the station > late at night as it is just not wise to do so. > Like it or not, a woman on her own will be seen as > an easy target. This isn't being sexist, it is the > truth. xxxxxxx You are more likely to be a target if you are a man, according to statistics which someone has already quoted above. I don't think this has anything to do with being a "modern woman", whatever that is - everyone is different. Obviously I'm not suggesting forcing everybody who feels safer having a man with them to walk home alone - they'd be giving out such frightened vibes they'd attract every mugger from miles around! What concerns me is the scaremongering resulting from one - appalling - isolated stabbing which suggests that no woman should walk around ED late at night. I think that is the over-reaction, not mine .......

Cassius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> > Gosh Mike you are so right - mmmm I'd better give > up having a social life, working shifts, going to > buy a pint of milk or doing anything that might > mean I am walking alone at night. Perhaps we'd > better start asking our big brave men folk to do > these things for us, or ask to be accompanied at > all times. My partner will love to come and pick > me up from the station or bus stop............. > > I thought statistics show that young men between > 18 and 25 are more likely to be attacked than any > other demographic? xxxxxxxx Yes exactly. Perhaps we "ladies" should return to the days when we sat at home all day and night and did embroidery and waited for the men to come back from their exciting outings. Yes people sometimes get stabbed. Yes sometimes they are women. Usually they aren't. This can happen anywhere. London or out of London, day or night. Yes you have to be careful when walking alone late at night. Anyone. Anywhere. That doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. I'm very very sorry for the person who was stabbed in Melbourne Grove, but unless there is a spate of similar incidents in ED and the police recommend people do not walk alone at night, I intend to continue to do so. And it's nice if your partner or whoever is protective, but not everybody has partners, and even if they do, why should they have to pick you up? And Jeremy, of course if something happened you would really really regret walking home alone, but what tiny tiny tiny percentage of the women who walk home alone get mugged?

tommy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently tonight's episode will feature the > "budding romance" that is Phil and Kate - with Ben > playing gooseberry. Oh joy... xxxxxxx But it didn't, did it.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Boyfriend - Alphabeat xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx My Boyfriend's Back - The Angels

Help! I have a very tiny garden which at the moment seems to be filled with a swarm of very tiny flying things - midges? Every day they are there swarming around the middle of the very tiny garden. I thought midges were attracted to water. I don't have a pond. Should I not have put water out for the birds? :-$

:) Mikecg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sue Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Mikecg Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > think that Ladies should never be > > > walking the streets late at night alone > becuase > > > they could find themselves in a dangerous > > > situation you never know, > > > > xxxxxxx > > > > Oh for goodness sake. > > > > I'm very sorry for the person who was stabbed, > it > > was an appalling thing to happen, but you can > find > > yourself in a dangerous situation anywhere, > > including in your own house, and if you start > > brooding about all the possible dangers you may > > encounter in life you'd never do anything or go > > anywhere. > > > > My sister was knifed, luckily on the hand, > years > > ago in broad daylight when she hung on to a bag > > someone tried to snatch. Maybe you think > "ladies" > > shouldn't go out at all in London without a > > companion? > > > > Get a grip! > > I'm getting back under me quilt now Sue.

Robyn0312 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Having been mugged twice in the area and followed > home once as well i can say from personal > experience that it can take an awfully long time > to feel safe in your own home again. It's > unfortunate and yes I agree that you can't dwell > on what may happen to anyone but for those who are > unfortunate enough to be targeted by criminals in > a intimidting manner it can completely take away > your sense of security and your independence. xxxxxxxxx Yes of course, it's clearly awful and traumatic for those who it happens to (and you seem to have been particularly unlucky). And of course it's not surprising if you don't feel safe for a long time afterwards. But what Mikecg was suggesting was that "ladies" shouldn't go out by themselves late at night. That is, that people who - chances are - will never be placed in a dangerous situation should permanently feel unsafe in streets near their home late at night. That's a very limiting place to be in.

Mikecg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > think that Ladies should never be > walking the streets late at night alone becuase > they could find themselves in a dangerous > situation you never know, xxxxxxx Oh for goodness sake. I'm very sorry for the person who was stabbed, it was an appalling thing to happen, but you can find yourself in a dangerous situation anywhere, including in your own house, and if you start brooding about all the possible dangers you may encounter in life you'd never do anything or go anywhere. My sister was knifed, luckily on the hand, years ago in broad daylight when she hung on to a bag someone tried to snatch. Maybe you think "ladies" shouldn't go out at all in London without a companion? Get a grip!

I had Asian flu in the fifties and lived to tell the tale :) That was the swine flu of my childhood :))

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > W**F > xxxxxxxxxx Woeuf - woofmarklechien :)

CPT. The Palmerston. Franklins (Franklyns?) for the bit at the front, but less so now they've binned their lovely sofa, and for their great draught cider. But hey, I'm probably at least twice your age so maybe you'd better ignore this :)) Can't believe how spoilt for choice we are now compared to when I moved here in 1991, when there was nowhere I wanted to drink :)

Thanks UP :)