Saila

Just in response to your post SW... I think that there's a lot of scaremongering around c-sections that pressure woman to go down the natural route, when perhaps it's not the best option because we make out that a woman has 'failed' if they have a c-section. anyway - we're getting off topic here a little edit to say: or that you're 'brave' or 'up for it' if you don't opt for a c-section

That's so sad. God, the poor parents. I wonder if those woman with twins had been offered/opted for a c-section instead of natural birth it would have been ok? OP asking about whether people would be brave enough to opt for natural over a c-section i think?

you're right - i am speaking from the outside as i'm not pregnant with a breech birth baby. The OP asks 'would you be up for it' so i'll expand on what i mean a little more. My personal opinion is that i dont' view birth as a personal challenge like a marathon or something. I just wanted the baby out as safely as possible. It was my first so i was really scared that there was something wrong with the baby anyway regardless of how he decided to come out. as for woman give birth in bushes every day etc. I can't help thinking that's a little niave. The evil stepmother in fairy tales stem from mummys dying in childbirth. It was a significant cause of death before modern medicine spotted complications such as placenta previa (sp) which my sister had and wouldn't be around today had it not been for scientific advances. i think it's one thing to give birth naturally when you know everything's normal. At least you know to the best of your knowledge. But to know there's a 'complication' and i think breech is classified as that then i think it changes things a bit for me anyway. Not only is there the baby to think of but also the mum. Do you want to spend every day regretting something? Like in Mellors post? Even though things go wrong in labour, to have a warning and something to go wrong is a different kettle of fish cos you'd blame yourself. Also the risk of an emergency c-section must be greater with breech birth? maybe not but it'd seem logical. Emergency c-sections aren't fun. Planned c-scetoins are much calmer and nicer for the mother etc. So that's anotehr risk for the mum IMO So for that reason I wouldn't be up for it. Now PLEASE don't shout me down. I know this post will cause most mums on this website to spit their coffee out over their lap top. But this is the original posts question 'would you be up for it'. And my response is No, i woulnd't because of the above. I wouldn't judge anyone in doing that in the same way i wouldn't judge anyone's decisions in what they do. I just wouldn't do it myself. i think it's one thing to argue about giving birth naturally when everything's fine but another thing when clearly there's a complication. edit to say - i'm not shaking my head at you? really i'm not - it actually just makes me feel a little bit sick with worry, even though i don't know any of you... weird reaction but true

Surely the line is when the baby is at more risk and you trust the health professionals to tell you that that line has been crossed. I really think it's that straight forward

I also found out supermarkets dont do promotions (reductions or bogoff etc) .....???? because breast milk / formula price wars really influence a mother's decision??? last i looked breast milk was free so i'm not sure why woman would chose formula because it was cheaper... ... makes me sad too - i feel vilified for 'failing' to bf cos of double mastitis/baby dehydration and thrush edit to say - interesting point on WHO - makes more sense now

Could you club together with other Rosemead parents and try and share the burden of after school care costs? Out of interest - what are the rosemead hours? surely 8-4:30 is roughly school time? i'm clueless but will be in your boat in about 5 yrs time

p.s. i don't know about anyone else but my cat found the cat net really very comfortable.... it was a complete waste of money

i second all of these comments we have two cats both with completely different personalities and nothing in common with each other.. until Christmas last year that is. They both keep a VERY wide birth of the baby At first i was nervous so i made sure the babyroom's door was shut when he was asleep. However, i didn't worry leaving them in a room together for short periods of time, but only after i had observed their disinterest My fiesty cat did start spraying in the bathroom though (?!) but that stopped after the baby moved into the nursery and the cat regained his prime position on my bed I also spoke with my vet and she said it's only really toddlers that may get a 'warning tap' from an angry cat when their tails are pulled .. little babies should be fine. Also, i've never heard anything nasty happen. Perhaps it'll crop up on here? But the fact you can't find any threads on it on here speaks for itself :)

i dropped the dream feed to 4 ounces (half a feed) last night not a peep during the night and he took a full feed at 7am today :) i have a big night out with the nct girls tongiht so i'm not going to risk removing the dream feed until sat night fingers xed p.s. I looked at the gina website and it's really helpful. Basically it's just gina mums answering gina questions. People on this thread are often saying their 'gina-lite' but i would guess most people are, are they not? each baby's different and gina herself says you need to use common sense and adjust her principles accordingly. Do you think we should start a thread with questions from gina mums to new gina mums? Do you think there's demand? i found everyone's advice really helpful on here and perhaps others would too?

Monniemae - again i wasn't saying they were paid too much, i was throwing how much junior doctors got paid to put some perspective into the discussion. Perhaps junior doctors should be paid more.. Re holidays - we get to choose 1 week a year in a nannyshare so who's the loser? Anyway - we aren't going on holiday because we're frantically trying to save money this year. I have been told (as you know) that i could be out of a job in 12 month's time if our firm's fortunes don't turn around. Who's going to hire a woman of childbearing age? You get laughed out of the interivew... i've seen it happen As for training... nurseries aren't part of the training for nannies? where on earth did you hear that? We are interviewing nanneis now who have had a two day nanny course? Norland nannies are the full on trained nannies. Costs for Childcare in our family comes to the same as one of our incomes but to step off the career ladder in our fields would be suicidal. So we are 'taking the hit' in the short term and hopefully when they're at school, these costs will fall. I could be a house wife within the year when i'll be doing the job for nothing. I don't want to, as I think i'd be miserable and hats off to anyone who does it. So in short i admire people (nannies and mothers/fathers) who are fulltime childcarers so please dont' take what i said the wrong way

sorry - it wasn't meant to be a dig. i really understand how hard it is to look after children and you're right about the break thing Just amazed me when someone said that to me considering how many years doctors have to train (7 unpaid) etc etc and the weird hours they have to do (a friend of mine used to do a night shift straight after a day shift... so 24 hours which actually illegal but they HAD to do it and this was in A&E which is pretty stressful). it's probably equally true that junior doctors should get more money than basic 21k and with the supplement making it 33k

junior doctor's basic salary is ?21k a year

He does go to sleep but he fights it and cries. Whereas he doesn't normally cry when i put him down, just goes straight to sleep. So it's like he doesn't really want to go to sleep but he needs it... I tried not putting him down and that resulted in him being fractious, so i dont' want to take it away yet completely i'm thinking it may resolve itself if he gets a better sleep at night. I may keep trying with the afternoon nap until i drop the 10pm feed this w/e and see what happens. Hopefully then he wont need the afternoon nap after a proper night's sleep. all really helpful - thanks v much again

he has a really big feed (7/8ounces) at 10pm but i've pretty much always had to wake him for it ... he's also beginning to get fractious at around his afternoon nap time and i wonder whether he's naturally dropping his afternoon nap... perhaps he'll benefit if he sleeps for a whole 12 hours solidly and the afternoon nap drops simultaneously and stress free? did you find that? i will try the gina website too thanks v much

please no comments on whether GF is good or bad... for those who use her routines.. i have a four month old who's taken to GF really well and has been in the same routine since about 12 weeks when he started sleeping from 10pm to 7am however he's totally lost interest in his 7am feed (only JUST had half a feed for breakfast at 8am) and he's now completely zonked out at his 10pm feed... i'm scared to drop his 10pm feed in case he starts night time waking and i'm back at work now so sleep deprivation is not something either the baby or i want to revisit has anyone got any advice? how did you drop the 10pm feed? edit to say - good idea on going for it on a fri/sat night. i will have a go at that

Tinies agency said that current rate for nannyshare is ?9/?10 It was higher a year or so ago but since the recession and unemployment going up apparently the rate has dropped back

hello I've only just realised this thread was still going today. I had been genuinely relieved to hear about the local nurse in the paeds department who had not encountered such an incident to date. That was enough for me. I also liked the comment about buggies potentially being protective (as they make the baby look *bigger*, like when we're in a car on safari etc). It made absolute sense. I think i'll always be wary but I feel reassured by what's been said here. So the thread has been really useful for me and i'm sure it has others too. As for those poor one off incidents when something does go wrong, this post has been read nearly 600 times so one shocking incident (sorry to hear about what happened jalapeno - awful) seems to be a one off and although horrific,it appears to be highly unusual.

I would genuinely consider myself as a more relaxed-first-time mum than most. Happy to leave the baby with friends/family etc and not overly protective generally however.... ...I have just invested in a maclaren push chair (after using a sling for 4 months and the baby is now too heavy) and I have had these horrid visions of dogs attacking the baby whilst walking in the street. Is this something that eventually passes? Like the fear of dropping him when you walk down the stairs etc Only I've just walked back from the Goose Green fair and saw a black pit pull coming towards me The dog was on a lead but as soon as the owner saw me, she started winding up the lead and talking to the dog. She then walked into the road as i passed and the dog was growling at the baby and pulling at the lead If that dog wasn't on a lead..... Do we just assume that these dog owners always keep them on a lead? I wasn't really that worried because clearly the owner had the situation under control. However, i keep getting these waves of sickness at the thought of a similar dog not being on a lead it's making me feel physically sick. He only has a four month old skull. He wouldn't stand a chance. am i being neurotic? i've never heard of a dog attacking a baby like that... only in the home etc and they seem to be a rare event advice welcome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f3j9l968_Y in case anyone missed it ;)

Our NCT group met there for our weekly get together (we were quite excited!) it was bright spacious and yes the staff were VERY welcoming plus i asked if they had a specific type of bib i'm looking for and they said they didn't but they'd order some in. So they were very keen to please! all good

How is this an issue with Peckham as opposed to Primark?!

i'm going to nip over today :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2010/apr/30/only-fools-pilgrimage-peckham

Carrieon23 - thoughts are with you as that sounds really tough and i'm not looking forward to this happneing to me (still on maternity leave) I know TINY sample size - but any comments/thoughts as to why this tends to be more a boy-thing? Are we treating our sons differently? or do they mature more slowly?

>>Are you pullig our leg Saila?? that's too funny if you're not<< ... it's absolutely true the police-car lift sort of backfired cos they ended up going round the one way system (bellenden road) which probably took a lot longer than if they had carried on (running) on foot, hence missing the (last) train...