Saila

I put ours down for a nursery before we even conceived! I rang up just after he was born and we had lost our place. So just putting a name down doesn't cut the mustard. You need to visit, show your face and go on a few open days to make sure u get that place. Good luck!

New post to say (I can't edit) so it's not mum v mum but mum v specialist

Ps sorry about the weird end to my post. I'm actually not being a mum or a worker today. I'm ill in bed with a nasty virus and using my blackberry to post which is causing all sorts of problems... I totally agree about the divisions but when things are rammed down ur throat (whereever u sit) I guess ppl get defensive. So when 'specialists' give opinions as what is best for youe kids, it winds ppl up and then when 'specialists' say the opposite it results in this sort of post and a two-finger sign to the other specialists.

I thinnk you're right. Some people can be like that about non working mums Belle. I've seen it.it would be sad to think people quit their careers cos there was pressure on them to give up from 'society' like ruth. I have found that those woman who were unhappy at work generally don't go back. Equally those woman who aren't happy with their childcare arrangements don't go back. Let's hope that it's their decision and not pressure from others whatever they do. re o n them ough

Again... This thread/study is not being devisive. It's just saying it doesn't matter what u choose to do.

i heard orange peel and citrus smelling cleanng products work

No one was being divisive by saying that cuppa tea. I would argue that today's society puts pressure on mums to give up their careers for their children and that wanting a career is 'selfish'. So I think the previous posters where saying finally a study supporting BOTH working and non working mums not just non working mums So all those Oliver James types can go stick it Moreover, I find it quite interesting to see how 'trends' change over time During the war the pressure was on woman to get out to work... so what did 'society' say? They said that kids were better off in childcare... then AFTER the war suddenly the right thing to do was be at home and look after the children... hmmm how convenient I'd be really interested to see how these pressures change with say, unemployment? Now that unemployment is rife and growing they'll be more and more pressure on woman to stay at home no doubt... My personal opinion is that these things can screw children up Messy divorce Depressed parents Fighting parents Sexual/physical abuse Alcoholsm and drug addction not loving, happy, fulfilled parents and equally loving nannies/nurseries my 'i' button is a lttle stuck today

Tarot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Money is the root of all evil, and that is why we > are now having cloned meat sneaked into the food > chain. The lesson of mad cow decease. forgotten. > We are also eating geneticlly modified, > maize,corncobs.cheese,etc etc. and if we eat genetically modified stuff? what happens to us? what are the health implications?

but they use the word 'contamination' and 'in the food chain' on bbc news... not sky/fox... surely they're saying that its somehow dangerous?

joking aside should we/i be worried? should we abstain from beef for a few weeks? we must be in some way harmed if it's headline news?

anyone?

since when did anyone give a monkeys about what an unknown model thinks? she's a nobody and her opinions really only have relevance to herself and her direct family even for 'silly season' this is dull dull dull cant we have another contradictory study to cry/debate over? http://www.madeformums.com/mums-and-dads/children-of-working-mums-dont-suffer/9688.html

my mother always says they were told to drink 'a glass of milk a day' when pregnant and bfing otherwise your teeth will crumble she's amazed the same isn't enforced today it's weird how good advice like that stops? poor teeth :(

a lot of babies don't ask to be fed. Sometimes for very long periods. I had no problem with my milk 'flow' just that the baby was latching on properly and not taking in enough milk, Plus he slept for long periods of time. i did exactly what i was told which was to 'feed on demand'. i had no idea that he was getting more and more dehydrated and his deterioration in health was alarming he ended up in special care for 7 days the nurse in special care told me HALF the babies in special care were in there for dehydration edit to say - i then saw a bfing coach and she was amazing. I just wish i'd had access to her earlier and not just the midwives (who aren't trained in bfing)

My baby has just begun crawling I'm trying to think of things in advance but wondered if you had any tips I'd rather not learn the hard way.... 1. Sash windows (open top half not bottom) 2. Stair gates 3. Wires and plug socket covers 4. Bleach out of low cupboards and into high cupboards anything obv i've missed? thnx

If your gross income is above the rent-a-room limit If you receive more than ?4,250 (or ?2,125) you can choose either to: A: pay tax on your profits in the normal way for a rental business (by paying tax on your actual profit after deducting expenses); or B: pay tax on your gross income less the ?4,250 (or ?2,125) limit, with no allowance for expenses. So for a room at ?100 a week (?5,200) is 950 taxed 950 * 30% is ?20 a month (but this depends on your tax rate?) the ?350 a week and ?150 is what charlottep said in an earlier post?

of course tax.. is this how it'd work? 1. Live-in nanny pay and tax e.g. 350 and 150 total 500 per week total ?2,150 per month assuming 4.3 weeks / month total tax 150 / week 2. Rent a room 430 a month less tax of 13 live out nanny costing 650 total 2,378 per month assuming 4.3 weeks / month (?100 a week rent) total tax approx 200 a week 3. Rent a room 645 a month less tax of ?47 is 598 a month live out nany costs 650 a week total 2,197 per month assuming 4.3 weeks/ month (?150 rent) total tax 250 so it's cheaper to have a live in nanny depending on how much you can rent the room out separately if you can get >?150 per week for your attic room or whatever, then it's worth having a live out nanny but it'd still be marginal is this right? looks like live-in is best option financially

it was a sunny day

hmmm... so perhaps nursery for short days and au pair is the ideal option in terms of affordability also i quite like the idea of my kids hanging out with other kids rather than just a nanny.... and my cats! thanks otto & charlotte - really helpful

So compared to a live-out nanny that's ?100 cheaper, which is approx the same as rent in the area? so that makes sense really? But there's no synergies. I.e. you could just as easily rent the room out and they'd be no financial difference. Although it's nicer to have the nanny around all the time for the children and means they can easily babysit too. rather clinical all this but needs must....

Hello very quick question how much do people pay live-in nannies (close proximity to ED train st and LL) double bed attic room with own bathroom and mini kitchenette (microwave/sink/kettle) - do these things make a difference i.e room/location? thanks!

Nice post Monniemae and I couldn't agree with you more on all your points And before you guys pass judgment... No, Monniemae isn't smoking whilst pregnant In fact she doesn't smoke at all I know, because she's a close friend of mine

this has surely got out of hand how can Keef in anyway stick up for himself when he doesn't know who's speaking with who and people are making accusations about him on a public forum never met the guy but this feels WRONG edit to say: never met the guy as in i'm not mates with him, i have no relationship with him but as an independent person i think what you're saying is pretty low

>Keef: in your continued defence that the odd 'cheeky puff' doesn't do any harm, I am taking a calculated guess that you are a smoker and have done so around pregnant women and young children. Nice. Was it Sean M who said it is more dangerous for a pregnant woman to cross the road? I'm really really shocked you have said this I gave up smoking a year before i got pregnant. I haven't had one since. I think that qualifies me to comment about addiction hence my post much earlier in the thread I therefore understand what that woman's going through better than say a 'never smoker'. i therefore agree with Keef et al on this thread. BUT that doesnt' mean i smoked during or after pregnancy because i think these things! that's unbelievable that you made those judegments about keef.. does this mean that you think ALL the people on this thread who are challenging the original poster therefore not only AGREES with smokign whilst pregnant but now does it as well? craziness

> ruffers Baldrick innit. :)