PeckhamRose

I second the John Beasley suggestion. His books are brilliant. Southwark Local Library also is a great source of information and photos - it's currently at the 2nd floor of the Peckham Library.

Happened to MrPR too a few years ago, they nicked the bike and left the cover. Be careful out there!

Interesting, but it doesn't tell the details. So the information is kind of not helpful. By details I mean - well for example today I saw two guys on the mobiles texting whilst riding their bicycles. If they're involved in an accident they would be considered blameless just because they were cyclists (according to new plans, anyway).

Thanks for the recommendation. Will wait till it comes out BT Vision! And yes, a treat to wander around London on an afternoon. We hope to do Whitechapel Art gallery soon then bargain an Indian meal in Brick Lane after.

Front covers are usually of smilin' 'appy workin' class cahncil tenants and their smilin' 'appy cahncil workmen tilin' their kitchens innit get me?

The next junction, at the junction of East Dulwich Road and Peckham Rye on the east side that leads on to Nunhead or turning right to go up towards Brockley. When this junction first got its traffic lights we were not a little irritated that there were no filter lights for the traffic turning right (as you're coming from East Dulwich). The 484 bus goes up there as well as a lot of traffic. I have written letters drawn maps attended Community Councils, written to TfL and my MP. My Councillors also agreed the point. But nothing has ever been done. I have tried so hard. Turning right up that junction is a complete nightmare and on other threads I have made the points that the fact the council close off roads forcing more and more traffic on to fewer and fewer roads, and then not making adequate traffic lighting systems to allow for safe passage of the resulting extra traffic, makes for us road users to take risks and turns us in to criminals when it becomes clear as we sit there that the only way we'll get home is by turning right on a red light. No-one accepted these points, there are long dead flowers on a light stand there although I don't know the situation behind that accident, and still it's a dangerous crossing. So what we still need on BOTH sets of traffic lights is right turn filter lights to go up Peckham Rye SE22 towards Forest Hill Road or up Peckham Rye SE15 towards Brockley. And my thoughts go to the family of the girl and the driver of the vehicle and also the witnesses who may also be in shock.

Soooo no men in the families section eh? Families being the women's job/role/responsibility? Or what. TRB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Peckham Rose, sorry to irritate but you must admit > that the Family section is full of females happy > to reply > I also fully understand being irritated - most > things irritate me now so dread how I'll be as I > get older.

A mate said she was very uncofortable about two men being 'allowed' to have a child to bring up. Yet she was okay with the idea of two women doing it. It's so offensive to have this belief that - to her mind - men are more likely to - what? - abuse the child? So the other question is do people believe that all men (or all humans with penises or penis substitutes..) are potential rapists? One of the most well balanced men I have ever known was brought up by his Mum with no male 'role models' in his life at all. (I also have an issue (until I have been made to understand it better) with the argument that the reason black children do badly is they have no black male role models.) Why do we need 'role models'? We are all human and we should concentrate on what makes us alike, and not concentrate on all the many things that make us different from one another. Indeed other humans are our role models and also our warning symbols. But what do I know, I have never wanted kids, largely because my own two heterosexual male father and female mother made me realise from a young age that I wasn't going to fall into that trap!

Declan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I didn't realise women were ever older than 21? I am 51. The pressure on women 'of a certain age' to not reveal their age, and women who won't do so, irritates me too! It's putting women's 'demands' to be treated equally back to the 60s. My Mum has alzheimers and I hope it's not hereditary. I'm 51. Did I say?

TRB your assumption that you'll get more female responses in the family section is not a little irritating, since so many men and women don't do / have 'families' and the thought that only females do - like, you know, was irritating. grrrr. So wait till you hit fifty - then you get irritated more easily. But in actual fact becoming forty upset me because I had hoped I'd have been more successful in my chosen careers, but in another way I settled into it nicely because my friends accepted me as I was (and still am) and the depth of friendships meant a lot to me. I spent five days in Paris being spoilt rotten by MrPR. And quite rightly so. Friends of mine who turned forty also reported that they began to notice their parents stopped hassling them to have children and started accepting them as they were. A nice thought. Enjoy it. It's just a day. You're still alive!

It's not that you need glasses; things really are that expensive!

But this is England dammit. We have standards! If not public toilets. They weren't even trying to be discrete (or discreet). Oh christ I am sure this is going to be mis-read and mis understood and my poor reputation shall be tarnished further.

Went for a walk today and was in Centre for Wildlife Gardening where we saw a sign saying all Southwark Residents could claim their free tree. We live in a flat but we may get one and plant it somewhere anyway... Meanwhile, on my thread in the Lounge called My Post Prandial Walk I mentioned that I witnessed two occasions on the walk where kids were peeing in the street with their parents looking on / condoning it. Other folks have said that there is a lack of public toilets at our shopping centre (ie Rye Lane) so could you suggest the idea you and I discussed previously about pubs restauratns and cafes to be on a scheme where the public can use their toilets?

Least I'll make sure no-one's watching....

And relax!

When was your day? 1952? I am a member of the Friends of Peckham Rye Park although I can never make meetings so it's my fault. And your fault for not taking part. What the hell is wrong with a nature garden? Know what you mean about the trendy cafe though. A greasy spoon would be far more appropriate.... You were kidding though, right?

Does anyone have any comments to make about the fact in the first para I was describing white middle class SE15 and the second paragraph I am in what's fondly known as 'Little Africa' and the two children and their respective adult carers I witnessed pissing had black skins? Oh - and the girl pissing on the bags - she was on her own and had rushed across the road from her folks' car and was too young to make any distinction between good and bad pissing positions or places. Resting on a black bag was merely more convenient and comfortable for her. Whether you're black or white, male or female, old or young I think it is a Bad Thing to urinate in public in a civilised society. There was not even any attempt by parents to encourage their offspring to be discrete. (Or should that be discreet? I can never remember which is which!) Maybe people going to Community Councils should demand more public toilets. Or, as previously suggested by me, the council should give money to restaurants and cafes and pubs so they can advertise with a toilet seat type design on a sticker in their windows that they are part of a toilet going scheme! Cllr Barber agreed with this idea on his thread. Tony Curtis book is Fabulous!!

I saw a boy pissing too, as I said. Someone said it was shame that there are no public toilets in the shopping areas. Some people don't use them even when there are. Anyway, they weren't that far from McDonalds or the cinema.... There IS no excuse.

If the signs were not there, you have a case. Go back and take photos of the street. Have them ready for the court case...

So we walked down Peckham Rye Common and delivered something to John Beasley's house in Everthorpe, then down to Centre for Wildlife Gardening where we bought some little honeysuckle plants for our new balcony troughs. As their cafe wasn't open we wandered down Bellenden and browsed around Review, buying the 2008 Tony Curtis biog in paperback and a few other items. Then strolled the short walk to Petitou and had coffees and cakes, a treat for someone who doesn't earn much! It was scrummy. The place was full. Then we walked a few yards down the same road towards Rye Lane and saw a girl child squatting and pissing on to some rubbish bags by a lamppost before running into her parent's (or some adult's) car, which drove off, and then we walked round the corner to Rye Lane where we saw a boy child pissing in the street into a drain, whilst his Daddy held his hand, and then they walked off. And then we walked home.

I notice computershorty has deleted his posts on this subject which I quoted and responded to. Don't know why! But I won't bother mentioning it tonight on paper!

I am so sorry to read this terrible thing to happen to your boyfriend. I am so glad to read it was reported to the police. Best wishes to him, and of course you.

I would love to have the laser treatment but simply can't afford it. And if I did have that kind of money I'd rather get up and go travel! gg what you gonna do, what kind of exercises? Why don't you do it on one eye and see what the differences are? !!

Depends how much you earn. You need only fill out the 4 page mini one if you earned less than ?15,000 (tho I think that's going up to ?30,000 soon??) If you're less than ?15,000 then just fill in the basics for now that it asks for and worry about the detail to back it up later. And learn from this to save yourself time and money in the future!

gg that's +1.25 reading glasses (yes, PGC from chemists and supermarkets) ON TOP OF +10.75 contact lenses from opticians. Exercises never helped me! Neither did laziness. I was at a boarding school and we broke into the sanitarium section and learned the eye chart off by heart. Ahem....