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Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To be fair to Hey Jude, it's quite a powerful song > written as a show of support for Julian Lennon > after his dad p!ssed off with Yoko. Perhaps, Julian might have appreciated it more if the guy had remembered how to spell his name.

Went to see her once years ago, but would never go back. Was bored rigid and also came down in the middle of the show and went into a huff. After watching that video of her scrapping her fanny along the floor, (oh it's dancing you say?) lost what tiny bit of respect I had.

ruffers Wrote: > > Bikes can hurt people, and they can cause > accidents. I'm sure this one's been done to death > before but I still think they should be taxed, > insured, and subject to the rules of the road just > like the rest of us. I know. Many a time you hear about the carnage that somebody on a two wheel contraption causes. It's Mayhem out there. I'm sure the person killed just down the road a few days ago, as a driver decided to ploughed onto the pavement, would rather play dodgems with a bike rather than bloody great van that ended her life.

Not sure, but the one at the top of Rye lane does.

I have skipped the lights, but do it rarely, as I'm too scared of getting run over. And stopping only puts a few minutes on your journey. One problem I am aware of, is that I do tend to daydream and maybe not keeping my wits about me. I've found myself going past lights, thinking were those lights were really green. I do get a bit disppointed by some cyclists who take liberties. Was walking back home from work yesterday, was crossing the road that was green for pedestrians and had to stop as a cyclist was oblivious to me or the light and just cut straight in front of me. Cyclists are putting themselves at risk and I think part of it is the adrenalin that get from riding and the feeling you want to continue riding without stopping. Two wrongs don't make a right, but there are many car drivers who don't give a hoot about others and their safety, happily junping the lights or doing something stupid and then complaining about being caught. Anyway, their bigger than us.

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Aren't adulterers always getting stoned to death > and stuff? Seems a bit intolerant. Perhaps they should organise a pride march. Might even attract more people than this

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > That gay people are happy to discriminate against > other groups, include the aforementioned examples > of anti-hetero and anti-working class, makes me > even less sympathetic. Sorry but that is total generalisation about gay people. I am not anti-heterosexual and am proud to be working class. I find that statement homophobic. This last page has really sunk low, the word just about pedantic sums it up. I would never argue and don't anyone would, that Gay people like many others come with prejudices. At the same time, I know plenty of Gay men and women who are deeply aware of their prejudices and go out of their way to be aware of them and not use them against others. The point is what people do with those prejudices. I've never heard of a bunch of gays attacking a heterosexual shouting the word breeder. At the same time, I don't see much evidence of gay men and women bullying, using violence or verbal abuse to heterosexuals just because they didn't like their lifestyle.

Bob, you keep banging on about this, but I don't see how important this is. Do gay men and women use the word gay to mean rubbish or crap? I use lots of words to describe myself and others, homo, poof or faggot for instance. I don't use them as a put down, abuse or to bully anybody. I also don't believe that by using these words, that this is a reason for others to use them in an abusive way. In the same way, I would never shout any of these words to a complete stranger in the street. Why can't a 10 year old be told why it is wrong to use the word gay as a derogative term?

Thanks Bob. I might just take the opportunity to flounce off, as this is seemingly going nowhere. DPF, I may be misunderstanding some of your words, but are you arguing that some gays bring homophobia on themselves?

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm sorry if you were offended but you really > don't seem to understand what causes homophobia in > the first place. Thank you for patronising me. I suppose it's not enough to have been on the end of it, obviously the causes of homophobia are beyond me. Cheers.

I wonder if some people are missing James' above point that there are many people who feel it is OK to continue to be homophobic, while expressing racist beliefs has widely become socially unacceptable. It doesn't seem to be arguing that racism doesn't continue to be pervasive and is affecting many in our society. I find the argument that people should tone down their image at Pride, as it may add fuel to the bigots' argument, just a little bit offensive. To me that's the wrong way round. As far as I am concerned, Pride is about being open and expressing gayness in all its varied and colourful ways, it is about diversity and a celebration of all expressions of being gay. It is not about showing others that we are normal and just like them. And part of that is our sexual identity. Pride has largely turned into one big party, but I still think it has an important role in bringing together so many in our community. One last point, there is still little support for young gay people. Many feel forced to stay quiet about their sexuality and unable to talk to their peers, teachers and importantly their parents to talk about something that is perfectly 'normal'. And for that reason alone, it's important that we bang on about it again and again.

I am not sure if it is a case of being disadvantaged. Homophobia is an irrational fear that sometimes leads to attacks, bullying or in some cases, murder. Whether that person is well to do or not has little to do with it, I would have thought.

I don't believe that a single faith or race school is the future. There is a problem with children under achieving, especially in minority communities, and I'm not sure of the solution, but it ain't this. I went to a single sex school and at the time, did not feel I was missing out particularly. I think co-education is probably best, if for no other reason, it may have improved the personal hygiene of the boys. On a wet day, the smell of a few hundred boys drying off at assembly, is someit else. The school has always had a good reputation, is always more over subsribed. Keef talks about the streaming of arty students and science ones. I wasn't aware of that, must have had my head somewhere else. One of the things was, there were a sizeable group of students, who were not really interested in studying and causing disruption to others, who were interested.

People are paying to download music? That's a novel idea.

The staff in Tesco Metro on East Dulwich Road. I know you shouldn't expect much, so just adds to the pettiness of it. If some staff member rings the bell because it's really busy behind the tills, of late they all seem to wait for somebody else to come. Leaving me to fume quietly in the queue. And I'm talking about the male staff here. The other one that drives me to distraction is buses who go extra slow if they are running ahead of time. Especially during the Summer, when the streets are not so busy. Even in roads like Camberwell New Road, when it single file traffic. Sorry, I'm early but I've got to delay all the traffic. Good to get off the chest.

crispy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sorry to diverse slightly, ( I don't use the > health visitor or have a baby), but the Gardens is > my surgery.I have found the nurse very rude ( had > 2 appointments with her)...she is incredibly > unhelpful and sarcastic, i would write exactly > what she said, but it's not possible without > mentioning my "personal" queries, which i am sure > you all don't need to know!...has anyone else > found this?.... Nope. Saw her yesterday about jabs to go to South Africa. She was a bit unwell, but seemed in good sorts to me.

This has probably been talked about quite alot, but yeh, things haved moved on. Above all, because a legal framework overturning homophobic laws has largely been out in place by this government. The use of gay as a derogatory put down and how easily it was taken up by so many, without questioning that it could be offensive to others, shows there's still much to change in some people's attitudes. One of the biggest problems that has to yet be addressed, is that most young gay people have to put off living their lives openly as teenagers and usually wait to come out as adults. Whether it's fear of being different, parents, schools not properly addressing the issues, bullying or the fear of violence. I do think the broadcast media do not take the issue as serious as they should. It's wrong that homophobia is allowed to be expressed in a way that racism is not, because people are allowed to have an opinion on sexuality.

enfantterrible Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i'm living in ED at the moment but I'm moving out > in November and want to move into a studio. What > estate agent is managing all the flats in The > Gardens? What is the best way to get one??? I think most of the rental propeties are through Burnet Ware and Graves, as it is just around the corner on the corner of Peckham Rye and ED Road. I had a look at one through them a couple of years ago. Love the square, but it was too small for me. Tilt's sold their business for a tidy sum, which was discussed on the forum some time ago.

You mind me asking which surgery? And was it an a 0870 number or one of these other new prefixes that seem to have popped up?

Would raising tax thresholds help those people, who are receiving benefits or are on the state pension? I spend less than 5% of my take home pay on fuel, though I'm still one to complain about the cost. I have the choice to spend maybe a little more on these bills. I presume the people who are defined as being in fuel poverty, their choice is heat or getting themselves further into financial difficulty. And that's rather sad.

Agreed, the idea's pants. I don't have nick nacks, but I find it reassuring to have all my books, cds and records around. There's also the tactile element with books, opening the pages and the creases in the spine that show up as you go through the book. And even the smell of them and the dis-colouration as they sit on your shelves for years.

Call out somebody else's name in a moment of passion. Worked for me, I was out the door before I could reach for a tissue.

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Is there anybody that would lend you a cat for a while? Never had a problem with them when I lived in a house with a moggy, while the soap-dodging, let's-live-rustic neighbours had them always on the go.