Earl Aelfheah

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am told that two estate agencies are bidding for > the lease. > > John K That good to hear. There is a desperate shortage of estate agencies in ED.

I am sure TGE are regretting ever applying for changes to their licence. It was clearly a huge miscalculation, but to be fair they probably hadn?t counted on the latent anger of some local residents. Ironically, their problems seem to be largely a result of their success. In it?s previous incarnation the pub was failing to such a degree that it had virtually no impact at all. I suspect, that some of those living near by have secretly harboured resentment against TGE ever since they turned the pub around, (but knew that to complain about a business being successful may seem churlish). TGE have unwittingly handed residents the galvanizing cause they needed and have released a wave of pent up hostility. The level of vitriol and hyperbole expressed on this thread (even after TGE withdrew the application for late opening) must, I am sure, taken them by surprise. It does appear to me that a small element have gone overboard. The desire to draw blood even after TGE took residents? views on board and dropped their pursuit of a late licence, seems a little spiteful. To those still now complaining about people standing, chatting normally outside the pub? bear in mind that it is the recent past that has actually deviated from what one would usually expect... you previously have been in the lucky position of benefiting from rents / property prices that reflect living in the immediate vicinity of a pub, but without the usual level of disturbance one might reasonably expect. This does not mean that a change in that happy circumstance is the aberration. I really hope that TGE don?t come out of this feeling too bruised. It?s not a badly run pub and the majority of those living nearby are pleased that they have breathed life back into it. They did genuinely listen to concerns about the late licence and responded appropriately. I don?t think it?s particularly fair that they have now had stricter restrictions placed upon them than existed previously. Btw ? there is a new coffee shop opening over the road... take cover.

No.

...but did the ?Tia Maria? have people chatting, in a small yard, until 9.30?

This is ridiculous.

The associated speed bumps do tend to lead to 'accelerate, break, accelerate, break' type driving which can't aid concentration / observation. They certainly do nothing for the environment.

Have I misunderstood something, or is the current application simply for the gin yard to stay open until 9.30 during the week and 10.30 at weekends?

Bare in mind that the alternative is currently a reduction of services from Peckham Rye / Denmark Hill.

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Also its those who have to > get up in the morning - for work- the taxpayers > who have a big stake in preventing these late > opening hours. The application for late opening has been withdrawn.

Denmark Hill is a horribly congested and poluted street. Camberwell Church Street has some interesting restuarants and pubs on it / nearby however. Many of the streets leading off it are lovely too (Camberwell Grove being probably the most notable). North of the green, Addington Square is quite nice.

Peckham's where the hep cats are at.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > John - it is very common in London to refer to > areas by the name of a nearby station. Lighten up, > stop being such a boring pedant! > > The area around DH station is nice (i.e. Grove > Lane I guess), but there's not really enough there > to consider it a district in its own right. To be fair, it's hard to address the ops question without clarifying whats meant by 'Denmark Hill' (shorthand for Camberwell, or the few streets in the immediate vicinity of the station, or the street of the same name?).

ED is 'nicer' (more well ordered, more affluent and suburban). Not 'cool' though IMO.

Camberwell is younger, artier, edgier and a lot more central. To this degree it could be considered 'hipper'.

Camberwell is arguably 'cooler' depending on your definition. Denmark Hill is just a train station and street (one of the worst) in Camberwell.

Anyone got a link to an online copy... I can't find it. Thanks

Not more road markings please. I can't believe that people are incapable of keeping track of he speed limit already. The fact is that some people choose to ignore it, that's all.

The problem is that the pub, for a long time had virtually no customers. Residents have obviously got used to the pub effectively, not being there. Well it is there and has been there for a long time. It's been revived and is once again viable. TGE is not an excessively rowdy pub in my experience and if you move next to a pub, then its a bit much to complain when it reasonably goes about its business.

djsenior Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Please consider whether ANYONE would be content > with an outdoor drinking den next door to their > house, open until at least 21:30 EVERY NIGHT. Is > is likely that those drinking in that location > will keep noise levels to a minimum ? My neighbours are out in their garden most night and are quite noisy. But as long as the noise simmers down by 10:00 then there isn't much I can complain about really. If I lived next door to a pub, then I would expect it. We are not presumably talking about amplified music outdoors at this time, just customers talking until around 21:30?

LB to Victoria is going this December (8th I think).

This is why I would love the tube to be extended into SE London. Relying on transport services with are not only irregular, but have routes and timetables which are constantly under review is a nightmare. This part of London is the worst catered for in terms of public transport and yet the mayors priority has been crossrail (serving already well catered for communities) and has now switched to crossrail 2 (again serving already well connected areas). When will a politician look at the transport map of London and ask what's happening to address the glaring great hole in the bottom right corner?

Oh yes... cross posted with statement from TGE. Well there you go.

I'm not sure it's fair to suggest that TGE has no concern for the ED community. They've actually breathed new life into a previously failing pub. They've also encouraged a new craft fair and put on many other good community events. The pub has proved very popular since it opened (which I believe is part of what those in close proximity are unhappy about) and I for one think it's a great addition to the neighbourhood. You may not think it's location is appropriate for a late licence, which I fully understand, but please don't assume that your view is necessarilly the view of the whole community.

I have never asked for, or considered the square footage when buying a house. I usually look round it several times and make an assessment of whether I like it or not. I've been using nothing more than a visual assessment of it's adequacy in terms of size. Am I insane? Has anyone got an equation which I can use to produce a desirability index of the local area and character ratio concerning the style? Blimey, I've not been looking at any of this objectively enough. Clearly, I am not cut out to occupy my own investment vehicle.

Yep. I've had a bit of a slug problem too. They're definitely enjoying the wet summer.