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Grenada as you have the wonderful culture as well as the weather.

I don't give a monkeys. If anything I'd be happy with TFL adopting the same standard. Just admit that you made a mistake and let's move on, rather than using this site to express your anger at the authorities.

I am a transport professional who has worked on driving standards. If you cannot steer your vehicle to avoid a bus lane then you have even fallen into a bad habit - as witnessed by many (may be even most) who cut the corner when turning at junction;, or you were not paying proper attention, It's irrelevant that you are angry about junction design, difference in approaches between enforcement bodies etc you were rightly issued a fine because of the way you controlled your vehicle. I have been rightly issued with fines in the past for similar behaviour. I wasn't happy at the time. I now own up to this and improved my driving standard.

My professional opinion is that you made a mistake and got caught. I'm not sure whether this was due to bad habits or a temporary lapse. I also expect that you will be more careful in future I'm not a highways engineer so can't comment on junction design except for my personal experience where I don't have any issues. It is a shame that as a whole drivers cannot be trusted and therefore we have to have cameras and what are often clumsy physical traffic calming measures. I'd like DfT to ensure more consistency on the latter I'm far more interested in bike routes but the thread I started on this subject was ambushed/trolled by a few people who have a general hatred of cyclists so no point in saying more on this forum. Although spookily I did write to Southwark in the 90s asking them for a pedestrian crossing on Dulwich Village bt the junction with court Lane due to the school, and to change the priority Carlton/Court Lane. They declined but twenty years later did that. I did not ask them to close the Court Lane junction but was pleased when they did this

I'm the first to admit that I have had a few fines in my life. Which makes me well qualified to comment. And the comment on me taking a different route home, +_ 100 metres either way is just silly. Own up to your mistake rather than blaming others.

No I was just confused as I thought that this was a thread complaining about LTNs and one person on this site complaining that they were caught on a bus lane due to poor positioning. The numerous threads here which can be summarised as complaining about cyclists, and complaining about Southwark, all meld into one.

Neither of you actually debate but either come back with questions or lob insults. I'm pleased that the camera is there and more fool anyone who gets caught. I've been that fool in the past but learned from it. This is not a difficult junction to avoid the bus lane

It would be great to get views on my post on floating bus stops

i am really struggling here. Drivers have to pay when they do things wrong. Why are you so agitated by this. Don't do anything wrong, then you don't pay

So what do you think about my advice on how to turn on junctions? I've said already that I am happy for boroughs to have harsher implementation of regulations. This will encourage better and more responsible driving. I don't have to defend myself, but as you asked I was on an errand and went a couple of roads out of my way to check. And I was right, it is easy not to cross into the bus lane, and indicative of bad habits to do so.

Has anyone complained to Southwark, to their MP or the Transport Secretary? I have suggested this numerous times, yet all we get is more threads on the same issue.

I went out of the way to drive there today. Easy to turn left without crossing the line. Most drivers adopt the bad habit of cutting the corner when turning at junctions. It's the way your eyes want you to steer, so doing it properly, a near right angle, is unnatural and needs to be practiced. It's how you would have driven when you past your test. It is one of the most common bad habits. Trust me I am a transport professional working in the field for over a decade including projects with DVSA.

Did I see anyone complaining when Camden introduced parking restrictions until 8 pm, with drivers getting caught out as Westminster was 6pm in the other side of the road? And as I have said before why don't you take up your gripes with the powers that be?

Why should they? Good on them for having tighter restrictions. Your argument is similar to saying that all local authorities should adopt the same timings for paid on street parking. They very much don't How does all this affect you in any case beyond your campaigns against the council?

Thanks for posting the picture Earl. I've cycled on this piece of road 100s of times. I've driven on it too. The only drivers I have seen in it were doing this on purpose so I welcome the camera. Absolutely no issue with turning left here without touching the bus Lane. You'd only do this if you cut the corner on the junction, and/or were speeding. Poor driving and you'd fail your test for not being able to control your vehicle. Really don't understand the fuss.

Good heavens. So you are saying it is fine that people who can't steer should be driving. If you can't steer your vehicle away from a line on the road you shouldn't be driving. Another apologist for poor drivers.

You only pay if you break the rules, why is this a problem?

Whether you think they are justified or not them is the rules so perhaps move onto an issue where you can make a difference. You are whistling in the wind on this, ULEZ, CPZs, LTNs etc. Unless Reform get in, in 2029. God help us all....

You only pay if you drive in a bus lane. The level of discretion is up to the enforcement body, If you have a problem then complain to the enforcement body, go through their complaints process/ombudsman, your MP or the Transport Secretary, Much better use of your time. Then report back. Have you ever been fined for driving in a bus lane? I have, and whilst I grumped about it at the time as it was near to the end, I learned from the experience, and now avoid driving in bus lanes. Helps that I rarely drive.

Wow yet another thread demonising Southwark and putting drivers first.

Yes I can. But the debate is rather repetitive and not sure why there is yet another thread. Just best to get used to these measures as they are unlikely to go away. Or move. Here's a nice article about the other Sadik-Khan, former Transport Commissioner in New York who has done much to reclaim the streets from the car in in the other metropolis. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2020/sep/04/janette-sadik-khan-we-must-rethink-our-streets-to-create-the-six-foot-city

You can still drive to the village if you wish, and in your case have justification, just not at school drop off time. Lambeth also have parking restrictions you may need to work round. Why should I report motorists having to pay for parking, or paying fines when I agree with this FM?

I got caught by the C Charge many years ago driving on Xmas eve, more fool me for assuming that this was the Xmas holiday. I didn't complain, and put it down to experience. Owning a car costs a lot of money, and paying the occasional (and now extremely occasional) fine is part of that.

I've been occasionally involved in recruitment over the years and welcome all the efforts many organasations and the public sector put into avoiding intentional (illegal) and unintentional bias. It did get weird when applications were totally anonymised ie we just had a long number for an application. Some thought that the courses we went on to avoid bias were a bit politically correct but they did tell you things that you were totally unaware of. Ultimately it was the person with the best fit, and that would included how we thought they would work in the team - obviously based on the examples we gave. In retail unless it is clear that you are bad with people (which applies to any age, and you could argue that a work ethic is stronger with those who have more life experience) age really doesn't come into it. Of course the age stereotype I have just revealed could be argued either way.

It's not a diversionary tactic. It amused me that the post was someone who was driving and as such would have a carcentric view of the world. You don't drive to the Village fro a big shop. The CPZ is focused on those that drive their kids to schools and allows parking to shop the rest of the day. That's a good thing.