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The washing basket of life is full of soiled clothes

Bottle of Jack for Jah Lush? (Wot a secret santa)

Meanwhile back in ED my garden in the snow

Young Winston, where there is a full shot of Horseguards Parade in period uniform and a passenger plane (now sadly airbrushed out) flying over turn of the century London. And Eye of the Needle with Donald Sutherland set in the Second world war, double yellow lines in the road and a late 1970's bus shelter. It's a classic.

What worries me in this argument as much as the environment (I am naturally concerned that the planet is not ruined) is the way this has become a sort of moral crusade about how people live their lives. I.e. if you take the plane rather than the train you are somehow a bed person. The other thing that gets me (and perhaps I am being ridiculous) with these conferences like Copenhagen. Is what is the environmental cost? Getting everyone there and back, politicians, journos, Police, protesters, scientists, civil servants, feeding them, etc, the list goes on and on. I can see the intended aim of the conference but does the means justify the end?

We had dinner there on Friday. I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again. The fish there is brill (er, no pun intended)

Perfect HB, how very true on both counts.

This is exactly the sort of perverse twisting of the truth that gets my blood to boiling point. As any self respecting forumite knows it is an asylum of cuckoos.

A long time ago the New Statesman had a competition where people had to think up deep and meaningless sayings. The winning entry was 'Never rub bottoms with a porcupine' and one of the runners up was 'He who digs deepest, deepest digs'. Any more up to date suggestions?

?If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.? One of the most evil men of the 20th century said this. Whatever you think the reasons for climate change the way the state has manipulated this. Nuclear being the new 'clean' fuel and a third runway at Heathrow being the only 'sensible, ecological option' makes me very sceptical indeed. Using children in this way is not only slightly nauseating but almost hysterical. I don't know what the truth is about climate change but I suspect nobody really does either. To supress debate and alternative viewpoints by having some sort of accepted wisdom thrust down your throat by the establishment is as worrying as the message put across by that young girl.

Thats good news. Renaissance of the Plough (shopping area that is)

HB worth a trip next door to the very nice east european shop if you are looking for interesting beer. This is exactly the sort of shop that should benefit from the footfall a sainsburys will generate. But is the old butcher going to be a butcher again?? (other side of the road)

It's a bit of a monopoly isn't? Dog Kennel Hill, Forest Hill, Herne Hill, Lordship Lane

You'd have to ask the man on the Clapham omnibus. Which was me a few weeks ago, and it took about 25 mins, very quick I thought.

Not a remake of the Gnomes of Dulwich is it?

I cant believe that with all the tunnelling experience we have in this country (The Underground itself, the Channel, Tom, Dick & Harry) we can't build a tunnel between the Elephant and Camberwell Green and possibly beyond. I did say in a previous post that if you look at a map the next logical stop is Denmark Hill, then North Dulwich, Sydenham Hill (South Dulwich) and then Crystal Palace to join up with the new East London Line extension. We need SMB to get this through.

Glad to have been of some little service.

You young people won't remember him, but I was fortunate enough to see Roger Chapman (ex Family) at the Jazz Cafe in Camden a few weeks ago. He must be in his sixties, and has had a very full life, but he can still really sing.

I may be mistaken but I have a feeling that Councils are required by law to produce such drivel. Any local council laywers out there?

I think it is the exact argument. It's no good saying something belongs to you if it suits you rather than it being a just and fair ownership. That is theft. At the risk of repeating myself, it is also incredibly condecending to suggest that the care of said item is somehow better or safer in the hands of us rather than the people from whom the artifact originated. I could end up with Greek citizenship (if there is such a thing) at this rate.

No Stonehenge is English. Even I know that. On that basis we could nick the Terracotta Army or the Great Wall as they ain't Chinese, belongs to the World.

Oh right, so the Marbles aren't Greek anyway?

Huguenot Wrote: > > I hope some bruiser isn't going to suggest that > Plato was Greek, any more than George and the > Dragon were British. Ah, the benefits of a classical education. It's all greek to me this argument but what nationality was he if not Greek? He was born in Athens no?

Huguenot you are surely suggesting that we are somehow saving the Greeks and others) from themselves. What possible right do we have to comment? This is not a question of simple nationalism it is a question of major artefacts being in their correct home. It is no good some selfish meuseum or group of them, claiming the moral high ground.

Lucky they're not dead round here. Sorry scaremongering again