maxxi

In terms of farming methods that are wrong it isn't just battery chickens - it's also (among other things) intensively reared pigs, grain fed cattle and lambs (not 'natural' for grass eating ruminants) and your daily pinta (150,000 male calves a year killed shortly after birth as they are no use as dairy cattle).. on the last point I think the re-introduction of rose veal in this country (not crated) is a good thing and hope it catches on.

It used to be all trees around here. *sigh*.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > maxxi Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Otta Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Same to you cousin! > > > > > > But who the hell tried to burn you?!?! > > > > > > Maybe it was in a 'past life'... > > > You're out of order there. If he says some people > tried to hurt him then some people tried to hurt > him. If that was for his beliefs then I hope you'd > condemn that, whether you respect those beliefs or > not. I agree that if he was truly attacked and people did try to burn him alive that that is a dreadful thing to happen for one's beliefs and my infantile 'dig' was well and truly out of order. However I am not his cousin so did/do not have the "if that's what he says happened then that's what happened" take on it that you do. I am surprised that, as a family member, you had not heard of this before. I took what he was saying with a pinch of salt but am happy to be corrected and hope that Shaman took the matter to the police and had his tormentors arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for attempted murder. And it is not a matter of respect. I neither respect nor disrespect someone who believes the moon is made of cheese, I simply state my own belief that their belief in such a thing is idiotic. They are free to respond likewise. What they prefer to do is cry out that I am intolerant for suggesting their beliefs are idiotic (which is not meant as an insult LB but is rather a profoundly held pov). I did not single out Wicca as "dangerous nightmare nonsense" but ALL religion but I see your point. You think that anyone asking for information on or expressing a belief in any religion should be left alone by those 'non-grown-up' types who find their beliefs absurd. It is not intolerant to say religion is idiotic - it IS intolerant to demand/require/ask that those who feel that way should not say so.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Same to you cousin! > > But who the hell tried to burn you?!?! Maybe it was in a 'past life'...

legalbeagle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, if you don't mind, I'll respectfully > disagree, both with the above definition of Wicca > and the unnecessarily abusive references. And try > to be kinder if you can manage it. The best thing > about freedom of speech and religious practice is > when it is exercised with thought and sensitivity. > Insults aren't necessary and I doubt you'd be rude > enough to use them face to face. > If asked I most certainly would say to any believer (Wiccan, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu etc.) - face to face - that I considered them an idiot. Freedom of speech and religious practice cannot co-exist as the deluded idiots who believe in the latter believe that their faith trumps all - including freedom of anything outside their religion. The nightmare that is religion will only be truly laid to rest when everyone who recognizes it to be absurd, ridiculous, dangerous nonsense which only an idiot could believe in says so. > Have a happy Christmas. (Which has its roots in > Pagan festivals, as I'm sure you know.) And my veggies have their roots in manure but I don't eat the latter.

I usually avoid eating other carnivorous mammals (it's an empathy thing) and stick to vegetarians as they are also easier to push around, fool into compliance and slaughter without much resistance (we call it farming). The more meat an animal eats the cannnier and potentially more dangerous it becomes (ill treated dogs can turn on their owners and have you ever tried to bath a cat?). On an ethical level I have no problem with dog/cat consumption (or rodents, insects, small birds etc).

legalbeagle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why would that be insulting? Plenty of wiccans > consider Wicca an ancient and established > religion, and many practice witchcraft and belong > to covens. yes, but they are all idiots.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz, you are comparing a 'live' duck with a > potato? > > Shame on you, if you can't see the difference. Now you know why it took hours to pluck that bloody spud... ETA: I know - I really shouldn't persecute the veggie-minded, it must be a particularly trying time of year when beast and fowl are being consumed with gluttonous glee and their juices run down our fat smug faces whilst butcher-dodgers contemplate another nut roast or tofu surprise.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Haven't seen any zombies yet in Nunhead. > > If they knock on my door, I have plenty of lettuce > leaves available, as Maxxi said they prefer these! That's lettuce-leaf EATERS Luna - you must have veggie-myopia, you need a good steak or a bacon sandwich.

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lets hope any of you that enjoy this odious > product never have a funnel shoved down your neck > and are force feed. Disgraceful. Or have the misfortune to be raised in a field, then slaughtered and eaten - oh, wait.. that's organic farming too aint it? See parky, thing is, imagining oneself as livestock has a limited effect - 'slike anthropomorphism - it just doesn't work when dead piggy/ducky/moo-cow/lambsy/chick-chick or goosey-goosey is delicious. As for the human race going 'to pot when they don't think this is wrong' that is liberal whiney nonsense. Given the farming methods of our forefathers, and how we have become more and more humane over the years, such a practice is a throwback so maybe it is a backward glance on our way FROM pot to wherever it is we end up but nothing to hate oneself for (unless one is a vegan natch).

This evening's build up - having run smoothly along the beer and brandy line (with the inclusion of festive Quavers and peanuts) - is now being heavily augmented by an evening of Slade on BBC4. "Baby Baby Baaabyyyyy!"

If you're after a honey-ish malt with a good sherry-cask aroma try Dalwhinnie Distillers Edition (various years) at around ?40-?50.

red devil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maxxi, Coupon Buster extroadinaire! :) I only need a half-dozen or so correct-score coupon busters and I'm back in the mix. B)

Week 14 (22nd-23rd Dec) Wigan 0 v Arsenal 3 Man City 1 v Reading 2 Newcastle 1 v QPR 2 Southampton 2 v Sunderland 2 Tottenham 2 v Stoke 1 West Brom 3 v Norwich 2 West Ham 2 v Everton 0 Liverpool 1 v Fulham 0 Swansea 2 v Man Utd 3 Chelsea 4 v Aston Villa 1 Week 15 (26th Dec) - Coupon Buster is Newcastle to win at Man Utd... Everton 2 v Wigan 1 Fulham 1 v Southampton 0 Man Utd 2 v Newcastle 3 Norwich 1 v Chelsea 3 QPR 2 v West Brom 1 Reading 1 v Swansea 3 Sunderland 0 v Man City 3 Aston Villa 1 v Tottenham 1 Stoke 2 v Liverpool 1 Week 16 (29th -30th Dec) - Coupon Buster is West Brom to win at Man Utd... Sunderland 1 v Tottenham 1 Aston Villa 2 v Wigan 0 Fulham 1 v Swansea 2 Man Utd 1 v West Brom 2 Norwich 2 v Man City 4 Reading 1 v West Ham 3 Stoke 1 v Southampton 1 Arsenal 3 v Newcastle 1 Everton 1 v Chelsea 2 QPR 2 v Liverpool 1 Week 17 (1st-2nd Jan) - Coupon Buster is Reading to win at Tottenham... West Brom 2 v Fulham 0 Man City 2 v Stoke 0 Swansea 3 v Aston Villa 2 Tottenham 1 v Reading 2 West Ham 3 v Norwich 1 Wigan 1 v Man Utd 4 Southampton 0 v Arsenal 3 Chelsea 2 v QPR 2 Liverpool 2 v Sunderland 1 Newcastle 2 v Everton 1

It's quite simple. None of the tube drivers wants to work on Boxing Day and they earn so much money the rest of the year that they can afford to skip work on this one day - oh, and call it a strike to avoid getting the sack. All they have to do is find a reason every year. This year's reason is brilliant - they want to choose whether to work on Boxing Day, kind of a warped Catch-22, "We won't work on Boxing Day because we want the right to choose not work on Boxing Day". It's happened so often that it's become a kind of Yuletide tradition now.

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'll be ok as they will probably only eat meat > eaters & I must only taste of vegetables! Typical rookie veggie error - carnivorous zombies (like their non-zombie cousins) prefer livestock that has been reared on veggies and grain. You'll be sought after :)

This year's Furby for Southwark residents who missed out on Olympic tickets and/or just like to look down on the rest of us.

Isla Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------> > strange thread indeed, seems like there is an > inability to address the debate without 'taunting' > another forumite seen right there in the first > post. Unpleasant stuff. Wise words - must be one of the Greek Islas...

As would *Bob*'s advice...

Marmora Man Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Foie Gras available @ ?100/ kilo -Fortnums & > Mason. > > Fill yer boots. Oooh, when do F&M put their 'nearly-past-the-sell-by-date' reductions out?

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Plebgate part 2....an interesting dilemma for > lefties in social media > > ...do we stick the boot in on the police, ooh, > hang on a minute that means being on the side of > the dreaded tories > > ....do we stick the boot in on the tories, hang on > a minute that maens stickinng up for the dreaded > pigs > > ...I know, we'll just ignore this one Nah, we stand back and watch the Tories lay into the police with one hand and back them in the latest police-shooting/death-in-custody with the other and with the third hand (these ARE Tories) cut police salary & pensions, replace officers with cheaper civilian staff, close stations and hand responsibility for it all to 'locally elected' officials - all the while whispering behind their hands "Er, you will still protect us from all those nasty protesters/students/smelly-bloody-poor-people when things get rough won't you?"

First away game in ages and it gets cancelled thanks to those poor underpaid cherubs. I hope they all have a very Merry Christmas. Can't even go to DH as they are away Boxing Day.

I think the gooners need the cash for Wenger's golden handshake and a down-payment on Armin Veh...

It is taking the piss but you can't have it both ways - if City were the crappy lot of a few years ago the price would be a bargain with kids-for-a-quid etc. as it is I suspect there are a lot of 'new' city fans with wallets fat enough to pay up even if it drives other supporters away (as Chelsea fans found out some years ago).

The old (and long since demolished) Kings Arms (Kings on the Rye) end of ED Rd. Remember a strategic but hurried withdrawal from there back in early-mid 90s after a small contretemps. The Free Trader (Green Hundred Rd) was a rather stern but decent 'Local' back in the late 80s too though both SE15.