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Dublin Castle and Town & Country Club (but, again, this may be the judgement of an ageing idiot).

Draught House yes. Preferred Roundhouse when it was confusing and falling to bits - saw Hauser Orkater there in 1978, mad and brilliant.

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DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The (Lord) Palmerston... > > Was once a Pub... > I'm sure there's a thread on this elsewhere but... 'pubs that used to be good but no longer exist'... Free Trader (Peckham) Surrey Tavern (Surrey St off Old Kent Rd) Trinity Arms (Borough)

definitely Borough market, La Rueda (Clapham), Duke of Edinburgh (Ferndale Rd), The Far Side (Stockwell Rd), The Abbey Arms (canning town). ETA: The disappointment on revisiting some of these may owe as much to the past being a foreign country as the establishments themselves being 'crappier' Oh, and yes, Upton Park - The scrapping of the South Bank for the BM stand was one step - but it's all gone really quiet over there since they moved the West Stand back and put up the disneyesque Castle-Facade.

Tate Modern. Borough Market. LL on a Friday night. Soho. Covent Garden. Dulwich Village.

Anyone send parcels (4kg this time) to USA? Have Googled UPS/DHL etc. and prices seem to be around the ?25-?30 mark - does anyone know of a cheaper carrier/way to send? The parcel is not valuable but surface mail seems to be restricted to 2kg (and then it's ?14 anyway so not cheaper) via PO.

Next time just tell her to fuck off inside and/or stop abusing her infant by getting drunk in charge of it.

That it could be worse... "And as he drove on, the rain clouds dragged down the sky after him for, though he did not know it, Rob McKenna was a Rain God. All he knew was that his working days were miserable and he had a succession of lousy holidays. All the clouds knew was that they loved him and wanted to be near him, to cherish him and to water him."

"...it's a statistically very safe procedure that may have health benefits, and can be seen in a similar light as vaccination." What absolute tosh. More and more men are suing those that had them circumcised and most major health organisations including USA and UK say that the risks involved greatly outweigh any possible health benefits. "it could upset religious communities" - about bloody time. There is no God you know and it's about time those who believe in such nonsense were stopped from harming the helpless.

Really? Terry not guilty? So now it's okay to hurl racial abuse as long as you preface (or CLAIM to preface) it with something like "I never said you were a..." ******* Black ****!" What a turd the man is.

On the plus side the attendances for all those Division three clubs should see them all get a much needed cash boost - or will Rangers fans stay away until they are nearly back in the (stifles giggle) 'big' time?

Before this becomes a debate about Religion 'good or bad/indoctrination or enlightnment' only, let's at least agree (religious types, atheists, humanists and the delusionally divine) that NO religion can justify or excuse violence done to children. The Council of Europe ruled on this when the debate was corporal punishment and some parents believing that it was a religious right and a duty to beat their children: "While freedom of religious belief should be respected, such beliefs cannot justify practices which breach the rights of others, including children?s rights to respect for their physical integrity and human dignity." Whilst corporal punishment is still legal in this country (provided it does not leave a mark on the child) it has been illegal in Germany since 2000 and is banned in many countries. Circumcision is not a punishment but it is still an act of violence against a child and it seems as though Cologne has decided to apply the Council of Europe's approach regarding a child's rights particularly with regard to (same phrase) their physical integrity.

I think it comes back to 'bodily harm' foxy. Parents may feed their children whatever they wish (as long as it does not amount to what we commonly and currently understand to be abuse)and clothe them in gowns of purple or teach them that the world is run by a giant tortoise - - as long as they don't physically harm the children I rely on the beliefs and teachings (formal amd otherwise) of our wider society to put all a child's parental guff into perspective so that God will eventually go the way of Santa and the tooth fairy. It's the enforcing of such a ban that has me wondering. I would imagine that religious adherents (fanatics?) would continue to carry out the practice in secret and force their offspring to keep quiet about it - do the burghers of Cologne envisage making young boys drop their pants for spot checks?

Whassap?

If it's a case of outlawing any unnecessary 'surgical' procedures on minors (regardless of religion) then would this not include the piercing of ears? Might that also be- considered a criminal offence because it caused bodily harm and infringed a child's right to integrity. Or would that not be deemed a big enough abuse of the child's rights as it is a small hole rather than the removal of flesh? Given that consent is not relevant until the child is of age then surely it is an abuse too?

100 *nips out the door of the snug

Dames we're not short of - plenty of Twankys on this forum - and for Far Eastern Fakirs, Huge (at least I think I've heard him called that) makes a perfect Abanazer- I think the most keenly contested category is bound to be amongst the (thigh) slappers... *sifts through 'principal boy' applications making careful note of (ahem) post codes.

The Toy Hearts - Brummy Bluegrass -

Blimey has this turned into the Fantasy Football thread? Carroll would be perfect and would benefit from an improved midfield but I think this is Gold doing a Tottenham of old (mentioning any available/nearly-available high-profile player to appease the fans and make it look as though he's really trying to buy the best) - the loan to Milan looks favourite if he DOES go. It would be great to see Cole come home but I think Rodgers will like him and want to keep him. Of course if BFS walked and Harry took over instead of going to Russia or Forest, Cole would probably come too and WH would be able to attract a slightly better class of transferee (yep, this really is fantasy football).

At last, a thread for young pirates...

Ms B Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Don't know if this counts, but a couple of days > ago I read a news story about a 29-year-old woman > who was (I think) working as a call girl to fund a > degree at Westminster University and who had been > found guilty of evading ?120,000 of tax despite > being able to afford a ?110,000 deposit on a > ?360,000 flat on the Brompton Road in Chelsea. > > I noticed that my main reaction was, 'that flat > must be the size of a shoebox'. My second was, > 'like a degree from Westminster is going to > improve on those earnings'. > ...Not to mention the huge drop-off in earnings she could expect if she'd applied to somewhere like Keele...

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone's bound to bomb the shit out of it anyway! > :( Isn't that a little extreme if the fizzing fails? I would recommend a rhubarb smoothie (also perfect as a humbug substitute if one is feeling non-committal; e.g. rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb... ad infinitum)

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And - as if by magic - a potential thread of > quirky delights is magically transformed into a > banal moan-a-thon. > very nice but you only get it now if you order the bang tuk sit-down menu.

Agree about Park Ji - can't believe the bargain price or that other clubs didn't fight to get him - is he injured? I don't think Rogers has said anything too critical - just telling the dressing room who's boss and after what happened to Hodgson who can blame him? I thought the ?My task is to build a group that can challenge. Hopefully when the bus leaves at the end of pre-season, it will have the people on it who I want.? comment was for the whole squad not just Carroll.