Voyageur

nikdevlin on CrystalPalaceLife.com keeps bees - there is even a thread dedicated to same so you might want to contact him there http://www.crystalpalacelife.com/index.php/kunena/gardening/6-beeeeeeeeeeeees?start=20#7272 Apparently he keeps British Black Bees (British indigenous honey bees), and Buckfast Bees (a hybrid between the Black Bee and the Italian Carniolan Bee).

Ruffler Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cafe Prov http://www.cafeprov.co.uk/ and Pullens > http://www.pullens.biz/ are both pretty good IMO We stopped going a couple of years ago or so ago as both seemed to have dropped off a bit food wise - Pullens certainly seemed to have had new management a while back. Cafe Prov can be quite nice on a sunny day in a window seat but I was put off last time by spending ?3 or ?4 quid for a tomato and onion salad that consisted of one, small, unripe tomato sliced with a couple of rings from a small onion :( If there fare has improved again we will do a return visit I don't mind paying higher prices if the grub is good.

RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm not meaning to take the piss - I've no doubt > whatsoever that it works for weight loss - it's > just the miracle other health benefits that are > claimed for it that I find less credible. > > If there's no clinical evidence that it works, why > would I believe hearsay over the word of the NHS > or qualified dieticians? There is no overwhelming evidence for or against the alleged health benefits, which that NHS article acknowledges. The GP who featured on the Horizon programme was pretty persuasive but that's just one person - hardly a clinical trial. I am ambivalent about the alleged health benfits, apart from the obvious one of losing excess weight over a long'ish period. If there are indeed extra health benefits then whoopee doo :) My GP, who specialises in all things dietary, said it was fine for me to follow. I'm losing weight bit by bit with a way of eating I find quite easy to stick to and am pretty happy with that.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you think it's a load of bull then don't go on > it, but why diss the people who are finding it > helpful? It's just the usual piss artistry on this site sadly :) It is working for me - and is something I can envisage doing long term. Not for everyone by any means - which is fine.

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah OMG > > Every now and then something just grabs me - like > yeah baby OMG. > > Could be a pair of shoes or a the newest flavour > Wotsits > > Today, right now, it's this ! > > > > (i'm over the wotsits one btw) My wotsists craving is now replaced by salt and vinegar squares.

It's all about finding a pattern of eating and exercising that suits you and your body. I have sailed through life not having much of a weight problem but the menopause has had an effect - I now have to eat less and exercise more to reach the same balance. Gents - just be glad that you don't suffer the menopause (apart from second hand as it were)!

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What would happen if one simply adjusted their 5/2 > regime to spread the '5' potentially piggy days > out over, say '7'? > > Actually, keep this to yourselves. I intend the > release a book soon - I'm calling it 'Happy > Sevens'. I shall be feted by This Morning and > Closer magazine, become a multi-millionaire and > end my days dead on a slab at exclusive clinic > following a botched liposuction procedure. Well that's easy - some of us don't live uniform lives. I am 'good' during the week but eat out or at dinner parties plus alcohol ++ at weekends. Next? (god almighty, this thread is going round in circles ad nauseum...).

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ach, I was teasing, V Oh http://theartofsound.net/images/smilies/embarrassed.gif

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Days of not eating on diet = defensive and > scrappy > > Back to eating days on diet = ooh I don't know > what came over me! Really? I feel uber alert and productive on low calorie days - probably because my stomach isn't slowing me down my digesting belly-fulls of grub.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sandals and black socks with denim shorts? Double shudder. Triple!

Great post :) Hope to god the sock and sandeled loser reads it!

nashoi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Gourmand syndrome. > > A condition which affects people with damage to > the right frontal lobe. They develop a post injury > obsession with gourmet food. Other symptoms > include include inappropriate special behaviour. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gourmand_syndrome > > Just thought I'd mention it. Holy Moly.... that's amazing. The wonders of the human brain :)

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Me? I've been on the Slim-Fast plan since 1984. > > > Still weigh a tonne though. :D

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's essentially a series of miniature-crash diets > instead of one big one. > > The bravura aspect of this latest novelty diet is > certainly making it appealing to men though - more > so than other diets. 'Fasting' sounds so much > cooler than 'dieting', of course. Bravura? Well maybe for some. Fasting sounds horrible to me, I therefore had my metaphorical fingers stuck in my ears when a colleague (who has lost weight on this way of eating very successfully over the last two years) kept recommending it to me. When I finally listened, I though 'yes - I could do that quite easily'. And so has proved the case. Let's call it a '2/5 way of eating' then if that helps - what does it matter of it works for an individual? Bob - I take it you have never been overweight and find it easy to keep to a healthy diet on a daily basis - as Sue says, hats off to you :)

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Here comes the science..' > > When it comes to weight loss, never underestimate > the willingness of otherwise perfectly sane people > to reject the obvious and embrace the fad. Hmmm... the answer is obviously to eat less, eat more healthily and exercise more. Pretty much what this diet and, for example, weightwatchers do. It's just a more structured way of doing the right thing that some people find useful at certain points in life. No harm done.

This thread prompted me to look on the web for bad writing awards and I found a perfect website: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2012win.html How's this for dreadful (the winning phrase): Winner 2012 As he told her that he loved her she gazed into his eyes, wondering, as she noted the infestation of eyelash mites, the tiny deodicids burrowing into his follicles to eat the greasy sebum therein, each female laying up to 25 eggs in a single follicle, causing inflammation, whether the eyes are truly the windows of the soul; and, if so, his soul needed regrouting. ? Cathy Bryant, Manchester, England The winner of the 2012 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest is Cathy Bryant of Manchester, England.

Appalling *shudders*

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You need to walk 5 miles + each day to start > losing any weight > continuing to have fluctuating glucose level > will make you ill. Neither of those statements are true I am afraid, but if they work for you all well and good. I would agree that fasting for long episodes (which the fasting diet doesn't advocate) is not particularly clever but dropping calorie level to 5-600 cals per day in a healthy person is not a guarantee of ill health. Besides, my GP said it was fine for me. We are all different.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Two years tops, it'll be in the bin along with > Rosemary Conley's hip and thigh - and all the > rest. You're right - I should just allow obesity to take it's course :)

If any EDFers are ever Crystal Palace bound there is a new pop-up craft beer joint opening later today by @BeerRebbellion in conjunction with Late Knights brewery opposite Gipsy Hill Station. All beers/lagers/ciders ?3.20 per pint apparently: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIn2_kxCAAAHh6T.jpg:large http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIuPDyYCIAA1RB_.jpg:large

There's no fantastical science attached to the 'fasting' diet IMO - its just common sense, for me at least. I do eat healthily during the week and as far as possible at weekends, but I also eat out with friends 2-3 times a week (avoiding uber fatty stuff and dessert)and indulge in vino at weekends. Couple that with hitting the menopause and I have found that I am gradually broadening in the beam, despite walking 3 miles most days. My current considerations to lose a bit of weight: 1) Eat healthily all week and drop the eating out and the vino; 2) Eat healthily during week, including two much lower calorie days (you still eat though). I have been doing the regime for a few weeks now', have dropped some poundage and am still able to enjoy my social life at weekends - also, I find this relatively easy to do. The alleged health benefits (apart from weight loss) I am not convinced of, but whoopee doo if there are some. Won't suit everyone - but what does?

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Voyager > > I think this thread is 'officially' dead now :(

DulwichFox Wrote: 'On days when you 'Pig Out with refined carbohydrates this dramatically increases blood sugar levels.' Umm... ok... well perhaps if that is what you think people do on this diet. I eat healthily (mainly fresh veg/fruit/brown rice etc. on non-fasting days - healthy soup on fasting days. Works fine for me, and my GP - who specialises in nutrition - said it was fine. If you pig out on sugary foods generally you are going to be at risk on type 2 diabetes.

Annette Curtain Wrote: > Dildo > > Sex toy > > Napkin > > Serviette > > Pizza > > Cheese on toast > > Smoked eels > > Jellied eels > > > Infinitas Infinitio.... Dildo cake.....anyone?

Louisa Wrote: .... I think we had better draw a line under all this stuff.... Thank christ for that :) Back on topic one hopes... any more street food outlets worth trying?