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PeckhamRose Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My mate lives in Upper Norwood. There is a nearby > carpet school (Harris) and fabulous architecture. > Local bus 410 take you to Crystal Palace so you > can get a 63 and visit your East Dulwich mates. > She loves it there. Nice park too. South Norwood > Lake in one direction and Crystal Palace in the > other. Upper Norwood is CP apparently, or rather Upper Norwood is the original but it became called CP for obvious reasons. As for the traffic around the CP triangle, you don't notice it if you live there - much like many parts of London. The plus side of the triangle is that everything is everything is close by - plus as the area is compact it is very easy to get to know each other. It is getting expensive though, so if the OP is looking for a larger property they will find better value in the other Norwoods and Penge. And NewX? What's it like now?

willma Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I used to live in East Dulwich up until about two > years ago when I decided to sell my flat and look > for a house with my partner. We needed more space > so a house was the only option for us. Although I > loved living in the area we couldn't consider > staying there simply because the price of property > was, and still is sky high. We had to consider > other areas in our search and started looking in > Nunhead, Crystal Palace and Sydenham as these > areas appeared to be a bit cheaper than East > Dulwich. After losing out on various properties > and becoming more and more disillusioned by the > lack of properties available to buy, we decided to > widen our search a bit more to cover areas which > we had never considered before. It was only after > looking a property in Penge that my parner and I > realised how much more value for money you get > there. Under 400k for a good quality terraced > Victorian house in a nice tree lined quiet road, 2 > mins from the train station. There is Crystal > Palace park only 10 mins walk away where you've > got a good sports centre and a lovely new cafe > which has recently opened up inside Crystal Palace > station. > > I have to admit, Penge itself has a long way to go > before it becomes anywhere near a trendy place to > live like East Dulwich but it certainly has a lot > of potential. The transport links are excellent. > We have the choice of using either Penge East > station where there are trains every 15 mins to > Victoria or there is Penge West for services to > London Bridge and south to Croydon and beyond. > Although we don't have any kids there are some > great schools not too far away. Shopping is ok > too. There's a Saisburys on the High Street, a > great local butcher, DIY shops as well as many > other useful shops. If we need to go out for for a > drink or to a restaurant, it's only a short bus > ride on the 176 to East Dulwich or alternatively > we can get on the train to Beckenham, Bromley or > Central London. Sydenham and Crystal Palace is > only a short walk away too. > > I suppose what I am trying to get at here is that > people should not dismiss areas like Penge. > Perhaps it's because of the unfortunate sound of > the name or something? Apperently the name Penge > is derived from the Celtic word Penceat which > means "edge of wood" and refers to the fact that > the surrounding area was once covered in a dense > forest. Penge has a lot going for it and the > benefits of living here far outway the negatives, > so my advice to anyone considering a move into a > larger property should consider areas such as > Penge an option and not to dismiss it entirely. Penge has a lot of potential and is (very) gradually changing in a positive way. I have various friends who moved there from CP for the same reason as you and certainly don't regret it

edhistory Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The fact that the heart of CP is formed of a > triangle > > A large one way system? > > John K CP suffers from traffic as ED and almost everywhere in London does - if someone doesn't like traffic I would suspect that London is not the best place to live ;). Having lived in the area for 26 years I think that the one way system is fractionally more successful for CP than the previous system. Anyway - back on topic, I am a big fan of CP and most people who come to live there seem to love it. Anerley considerably cheaper though - depends what OPs motives for moving are. NewX I used to know very well 25 years ago or so - has it changed much?

tomskip Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We've been here since 1996 and its been just fine. > But we want to move on - still in London, not the > suburbs or further afield. I am thinking New > Cross, Crystal Palace or Annerley (but, weirdly, > not Penge). Does anyone have any further thoughts? Depends why you are moving - is it for a larger house at a cheaper price than ED? If so, can't speak for NewX but Anerley will be quite a bit cheaper, is on the edge of the lower part of Crystal Palace Park and is a short hop from the bars/restaurants of CP too (albeit uphill, although buses run past every couple of minutes or so). Anerley is somewhat run down but is trying to pull its socks up, locals have applied for regeneration money http://www.crystalpalacelife.com/index.php/kunena/anerley-regeneration-project/86-anerley-regeneration-project and has had a small flurry of interesting little independent business open up including an ice-cream shop, a sweetie shop, a retro beauty salon and a great little Italian bistro. Crystal Palace is lovely - a good selection of independent shops plus lots of bars/pubs/restaurants - but prices have shot up dramatically over the last decade or so. The fact that the heart of CP is formed of a triangle rather than a long, straight high street lends itself to a community feel. I wouldn't say it is the 'new ED' as hopefully it will retain its own individual character.

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apbremer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I recall a cinema at Crystal Palace in Church Rd. > On walking past recently I noticed that it seems > to be in fine fettle, with a refurbished ticket > foyer and appears ready to open. Does anybody know > what is going on?? A cinema for CP - I flipping wish! (and so do the residents of CP). In short, Picturehouse cinemas were hoping to restore the old cinema to its former glory when it was sold by the Bingo chain that had inhabited it for some years but were beaten in the bid by KICC, a supposed church (which largely seems to be a front for money making on a large scale from those who can least afford it) who wanted to bus in thousands from outside the area for 'services'. Bromley council turned down the change of use intention but KICC refuse to sell. Picturehouse are still waiting in the wings and the CP community are very much behind them. The battle has been going on for some years :( http://www.campaign.picture-palace.org/ http://www.crystalpalacelife.com/index.php/kunena/general-chat/90-cinema-for-crystal-palace#1633 http://www.virtualnorwood.com/forum/topic/12460-25-church-road/

LOVE Big Macs - limit myself to one a year :( Just too addictive :(

civilservant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am horrified ...that '50 Shades' is being > described as literature. > Check out Paloma Faith's hilarious trashing of it > on Room 101 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01q9rxn/Room > _101_Series_2_Episode_4/ Agree re 50 shades - abominable piece of garbage. A lot of people (for centuries) have been into BDSM in one form or another though, so it is not surpsrising that it features in porn movies. BDSM is a big spectrum too, from someone who gets a kick out of having their bot smacked, to someone who likes dressing in latex to a couple of people who get a sexual kick out of adopting a dominant or submissive role in a relationship. Not by any means a mysoginistic bent as many of those who prefer the submissive role are men. All good, fun, healthy stuff :)

northlondoner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is it common for women to be into pornography? > Particularly of the bdsm variety. Not uncommon.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Voyageur Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Sorry, how do you reach the pool table..... > > please? > > Through the front bar. The Pool table was out the > back. > > Foxy. Sharp as a pin. Et touch?! :D

Sorry, how do you reach the pool table..... please?

DulwichFox Wrote: > But being only 2ft long. How do you reach the pool table?!

Hope you get it resolved Sue. My old Dell laptop has died but I hate it so much I am not going to bother getting it mended. Re Windows8, as a relative luddite I quite like it. It takes a day or so to get used to it and to personalise the start page to work for you but it does seem quicker and easier than previous versions now I have done that.

I rented in ED for a year in 1981 - largely because it was the cheapest area we could find. Rough is probably a bit steep but it was generally pretty run down, absolutely nothing fancy but affordable for student nurses. The pubs were a bit rough and ready but I felt safe enough in the area. Couldn't believe the difference when I re-visited for the first time about 25 years later. Tried to buy a bottle of balsamic in a deli and came out empty handed and goggle-eyed at the prices! Have lived in Crystal Palace for the last 26 years (cheap as chips when I moved here) and have seen a big shift in the area too (much to many people's horror but I'm not complaining). Mind you, I haven't noticed any shifting in S Norwood....

EvaC Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the-e-dealer Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well a fair bit of is grotty. > > Grotty I think I can deal with... Way back wasn't > Dalston and Balham grotty too? > > Anyhow, I'm really on the fence with this given > how cheap the properties are... It is probably wiser to ask the question on a local forum rather than the EDF, such as this one: http://www.virtualnorwood.com/forum/topic/12251-thinking-of-buying-in-south-norwood-advice-please/

Moos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Laughter! > > We were tempted by a gorgeous house on Wolfington > Road, but plumped for Peckham in the end. Good > decision. > > But I think the question the OP was asking was not > what am I missing about how shit SNorward is, but > why hasn't it gentrified, and why do we think it > can't? Apart from the minor handicap of Quids on > a bender, that is.. Is gentrification always the answer?

Well, as people have pointed out a fair bit of it is grotty - hence the low prices despite the transport links. It's simple as that really.

As someone else said, the area around S Norwood Lakes is quite nice and not far from Crystal Palace station, triangle and park. More expensive than much of S Norwood consequently but less expensive that ED. Penge might be worth a look too - especially the bit closer to CP Park. After all these years there are signs of Penge pulling it's socks up http://www.virtualnorwood.com/forum/topic/12521-penge-it-gets-better/

aquarius moon Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > civilservant Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Voyageur Wrote: > > > I wouldn't expect others to share my views > > though. > > > > I seem to share your views exactly, on all > counts! > > > I share both your views! That's good to hear. I guess part of the point is though that I don't expect others to agree or to change their own views - my partner is a confirmed carnivore and is not concerned re provenance. I am happy to live and let live.

A 7 inch tablet weighs roughly the same as a kindle and can be held easily in your palm. I use my Samsung Tab as a kindle reader as I found kindle books to be more competitively priced than other e-book stores. All depends what you want from the device I suppose. Some of the newer tablets cost about the same as an e-reader so personally I would go for something that can do a little more for me.

I would pay extra for meat that had been reared in a pleasant and stress free natural environment and slaughtered in as 'humane' a way as possible. I must admit I am verging on veggie as if I think about the animal that I am eating and how it has probably died my appetite disappears. I wouldn't expect others to share my views though.

Interesting. Have posted a link to this thread on Virtual Norwood which covers Gipsy Hill.

PaulK Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In other words, who here is a nut job? Christ... you really are a damaged f***wit aren't you :( Lady D - superb post, I salute you x (and apologies to Alan Medic, whose post I wrongly quoted in error!)

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