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It's been pointed out to me that even the term "Our Jewish friends" is pretty rubbish.

First match of this tournament I've been glued to. Bravo Wales, excellent effort. I really hope they smash Portugal and make the final. And I hope every England player watched that and felt shamed.

Silver linings and all that :-) Nice to see you here RPD

Well this thread clearly didn't go how the OP was hoping (or more likely it has gone exactly that way). People have a right to be offended, but I hopnestly think "sexual predator" is a bit bloody strong.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't keep up with all these acronyms. Keep up? MILF has beenaround since at least the late 90s. I think I first heard it in the original American Pie film (which I am sure you haven't seen as it's a load of rubbish for the MTV generation).

Obviously this is all completely meaningless, but here are the results of the BBC pick your England starting 11 game thing. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36681995

This does look interesting.

Go on RD, Please say "Zlatan fooking Ibrahimovic" That'll be sure to curse it ;-)

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > if it means we don't have to hera him commentate > anymore - I'm in Seconded!

I want Labour to have a leadership election. If Corbyn comes through that, which I think he will (though not with my vote) I want the PLP to shut the fuck up and back him. I then expect him to be decimated at a General Election, and at least then we can tell all the Momentum idiots to jog on. Shame the country is going to have to suffer for their little ego trip experiment.

Agreed. If he set out an actual plan and vision (not now, it's too late) people could have got on board or not based on the policies and not what the press said about his jumpers. But he has never done that.

Hopefully the police will walk in to the establishment and charge the nasty bastard.

He should have done a lot more to discourage the more unpleasant online warriors of his support.

I was saying to a friend yesterday that any Labour leader has to appeal to a much wider demographic than their Tory counterparts to stand any chance of beating them. They need to somehow appeal to slightly left of centre, an across the left (stopping before the mental ones at the far end). This is a bloody hard job, which is why Labour leaders only become PM when the Tories are totally screwed (see Blair in '97). Right now the Tories are pretty screwed, but there is no way Labour are going to take advantage.

And regarding those that didn't vote against the Welfare bill.. 1. They didn't vote FOR it. 2. The party had just been smashed in a GE, and there was no leader (Harman was filling in at the time). 3. The country had just voted for austerity, like it or not, that what they wanted. Abstaining was seen as the best way to try and get the bill changed. Had they voted against it, it still would have gone through, and although they'd have all been able to congratulate themselves on being ever so principled, it would have changed nothing. The meme attached to the OP is basically everything that is wrong with politics today. Social media rabble raising bullshit.

I voted for him. I strongly regret that now (not that me voting for someone else would have made a difference). He and the fuckwits of Momentum are almost enough to turn me right wing.

"Posted by Keef 07 August, 2007 14:19 I'm a lot more excited about this season than I have been for a few years, what with the arrival of Torres at Liverpool! However, I suspect after a couple of matches I'll be writing off another title charge! We just seem to be incapable of consistency! Always feel quite confident about getting somewhere in the cups though, I do think we're one of the better cup sides." Well Torres didn't disappoint (for a couple of seasons at least). And I think we got to the CL Final that year.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > It was investigated and 77,000 votes (so Far) were > found to be fraudulant. > Which is less than 2% of the 4m+ that have signed. > As I understand it. David Cameron has stated .. > the vote was clear.. he resigned on the stregnth > of that and has said there is no chance of a > second referendum. I do not think he would of > resigned if there was the slightest chance the > decision could be reversed. It couldn't be reversed by him and he knew that. If he said "we've had a vote but I'm ignoring it" he'd be absolutely slaughtered. But he knows that if someone else is elected off the back of a pro remain campaign, they could well ignore it. But I can't see anyone in the tory party ignoring it. And I can't see Labour getting anyone elected, so it's all just what ifs.

I've had worse.

It's possible to support both. I agree with all the criticism of Hodgson, but if the players were that good they'd have been able to beat Iceland despite his tactics. I was looking forward to seeing Alli in this tournament, and I know he may not have been in his favourite position, but he was bloody anonymous.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > on the basis of these > performances they didn't even deserve to be there > in the first place. This is the problem though. They'll now go in to World Cup qualifying against a load of old shite. Rooney will score a hat full of goals and The Sun will tell us that this is the new dawn (bit like that one in '96 after "30 years of hurt"). And then exactly the same thing will happen again.

When you borrow like we do it is kind of significant UG.

Fair play to him for falling on his sword at least. Not all his fault, the players were toilet.

There's nothing attached.

Well Cameron has just ruled out a second referendum, and Helen Hayes has just basically said she (and I suspect that'll be the common answer) won't back asking parliament to reject the result. So that's that.