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I can also burn you a CD with it on if for whatever reason you can't get in touch with DJKQ.

m.youtube.com/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLiP0j-LHv88&v=LiP0j-LHv88&gl=US

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think remembering and reflecting are good > things > > I also support the ongoing investigations into > what happened that day > > I just don't also equate any of that with refusing > to play on that date. Play the game. Play it with > special arm bands and send a message to a wider > public. I'm not really saying "move on" so much > as do everything you feel you need to do... But > play the match as well Basically all of that. Perhaps my wording was a bit harsh yesterday, although I still basically stand by it. Comparing Hillsborough to Remembrance Day? Really crap comparison.

Wlad to "test" himself against a 40 year old he knocked out 4 years ago. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/17693035 Christ, we need a decent heavyweight to emerge from somewhere!

This is how I'd feel. Couldn't bare not knowing.

If you did want to pick it up, I'm sure they'd let you have it if you took proof of address. Just say that the addressee is your flatmate. It's probably just some company that get names off the register and had it on a mailing list.

Saw the PM before seeing this, so responded to that. Won't post the whole PM, but will repeat that if I said "I thought it was disgusting when Chelsea fans started booing the minutes silence", I'd assume (perhaps wrongly) that it was obvious I didn't mean every single Chelsea fan, and that there was no need to add "some". Anyway, I'm sure everyone is bored of this now. LadyG, I'd like to see an exciting run in, but even if City beat United in the big match, I still see them dropping more points.

Absolutely. Hope I haven't come across as thinking otherwise. But can see why a Chelsea supporter might be a bit hacked off about it in football terms.

I can't imagine why anyone would think it was inappropriate.

Atticus, the difference is, I never ever used the word ALL.

Cross posted with StraferJack, but glad to see that someone got my meaning correctly.

Atticus, when you're right, you're right. I should have said "a significant number of fans", rather than relying on the good readers of the EDF to realise that I didn't mean every single fan. My bad.

Okay then, tell me the things I've said that have upset you, and I'll address them. When, for example, I said about scoucers thinking they're dead funny and cheeky, I never meant everyone ever born in Liverpool. It is a stereotype, and stereotypes tend to exist for a reason. In fact, don't bother, just stick me on ignore. I'll never convince you that I don't have some deep issue with your scouse brethren, and frankly, I can't be arsed trying. You don't like me, I'll just have to shoulder that burden. It'll be a lifelong struggle, but I suspect I'll manage.

In fact Atticus, do me and yourself a favour, and put me on ignore. You have decided that I live to dig out scoucers (not true), and you read in to my posts stuff which just isn't there. Put me on ignore, and you won't have to see it, and in turn, I won't be aaccused of shit by a very paranoid person.

Get over what?!? You (not scoucers as a whole, but YOU) are what I am talking about.

That is not to say that O don't find it very sad, and the footage hard to watch by the way. But it doesn't have a personal effect. RD, why do you feel affected by Munich? I'm not taking the p!ss, it's a genuine question.

Atticus, you take exception to everything I say, and it's boring. Feel patronised all you like, I didn't intend it, but I won't apologise for it. I certainly don't think I can talk for scoucers, and a lot of the fans I'm talking about are not even scouse. What if I, as a Londoner who was 10 at the time of the disaster, and had no link to anyone who was affected started claiming to feel grief over it? I think that would make me a fucking idiot. I would say exactly the same thing if it was any other team, I have nothing at all against scoucers as a whole, and count several as good friends. But of course, you'll think the whole world is against you, because that seems to be your thing.

Cross post with EP, but similar point.

In a word, no. Liverpool have every right to request that they don't play that day, but no club should be able to dictate these things, as that could give unfair advantage. As others have said, there are plenty of other tragic disasters in football history, yet other clubs don't EXPECT to not play on anniversaries. Hillsborough is different because of all the cover up, and the quest for truth, which keeps it alive, helped by fans' slightly twisted desire to share in the grief in order to feel like part of something, even though they had no link at the time. If Hillsborough didn't have the cover up, then it would have been put to bed, and it would be remembered like any other tragedy in which people lost their lives. Please don't take that as disrespectful of the dead, and the families seeking the truth. I hope eventually they get it, and find some peace. Only then can the whole thing be put to bed, and remembered with respect. Sorry if that is offensive to anyone, but that is my opinion.

Flak, yes. Death threats from stupid scrotes, Hell No! Especially people who were not born, or just little kids in 1989, who have no connection whatsoever to anyone who lost their life that day.

In a nut shell!

I think he's entitled to that opinion to be honest. Surely a huge match at Wembley against Everton of all people, would have been a great chance to really pay respects? I'm no Chelsea fan, but they have a right to be a bit hacked off over it.

Do they not do liquid ventolin anymore? That is what I had as a kid, before moving to inhalers. That was 30 years ago though.

Look, basically people are selfish about their weddings, and fair enough, it is their big day, and I would never suggest they should change their arrangements on my part. That doesn't mean I won't have my opinion. I missed my friend's wedding last year (I was meant to be best man) because they chose to have it in Cyprus, where her mum owns a nice place, and it would cost them a lot less. Of course, that means all their guests have to spend a fortune, and as a result, they ended up with q lot of their friends missing, especially on his side. I personally won't attend a wedding where my kids are not welcome, or if I'm expected to abroad, without good reason (went to a friend's wedding in Venezuela, because bride was from there and her family never would have afforded to come here). Don't even get me started on non religious people marrying in church!

If Liverpool get past Everton, not sure about the final. Part of me would prefer Chelsea, but a bit scared Torres would suddenly hit form and out a hatrick past us just to rub it in.