Undisputedtruth

Well according to this page the BBC are calling themselves a public sector organisation. So when are you going to end your bullsh!t and just admit that you hate the public sector and LU workers?

katie1997 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have rewarded bedroom failure by simply turning > it into an office instead. Sign of man problems I think! ;-)

I don't know geek speak.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure what you're saying there, UDT? What was > that regarding? Must be disappointing to hear that the BBC is a public service given your aversion to all things public sector.

El Pibe Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > UDT, the BBC has both editorial independence and a > duty enshrined in law to provide as balanced an > approach as possible*. Well according to Wikipedia the BBC is a public service. Under the Civil Service code all Civil Servants are required to be politically impartial.

No really, Millwall are honest in comparison.

It's irrelevant Hugo. Have you looked at the RBS share prices over the last few years? They have halved under the stewardship of Stephen Hester. Yep, we the taxpayer already have a ?23bn paper loss on our investment on RBS. Also Hester had failed in a major target to lend money to small businesses through Operation Merlin. The whole idea about Operation Merlin was to keep the economy in moving by ensuring that small businesses had access to funds. No wonder our economy has slowed down. Let's be honest, you think it's right to reward boardroom failure, don't you? What you want is huge rewards for the elites while the rest of us struggle to make ends meet. Anyway, at least Hester has done the right thing and given up his bonus.

The BBC is also a public service btw Hugo.;-)

Talking boll*cks again, Hugo. I understood what you wrote and I do know, as another member had wrote, you're not that clever as you make out to be. Approximately 70% of your posts are total bullsh!t. I didn't say that Hester had created the problems for RBS but he has a career in the banking industry for many years including a stint at Credit Suisse. I can't see why bankers should be paid a bonuses for sorting out a mess that they themselves have created and ultimately damaged the British economy. The government has a majority share in RBS which means that we, as taxpayers, have a say on whether it's right for Hester to get an obscene bonus. Public opinion says no and rightly so.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. I don't think SJ thought the booing was > acceptable. To clarify: SJ questioned whether booing of Evra was okay and in my view it was never okay to boo him. > 2. I don't think that the booing from the majority > of the fans was condoning racism. All I said was that the booing of Evra was done by mindless fans. Now are you saying that all Liverpool fans are mindless?

kels Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > We lost one pair of football boots and then today > another went. > Arsene Wenger, the Arsenal manager, always wanted a Fox in the box!

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > UDT, I think SJ's post was aimed at me not you. > If that's the case, I hope my subsequent post have clarified my view that the shocking booing of Evra by mindless fans was, in effect, condoning racism and not, as SJ thought, that booing was acceptable.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No, my problem is that they appear to be demanding > a bonus because they have to work harder. > > You're trying to deflect from this point by > claiming this is a grudge against LU staff - a > typical union negotiating approach when their > position is pathetic. > > If they are being asked to work longer that's a > different issue, and a fixed fee bonus for hitting > a particular number of hours overtime is a > sensible approach to hitting company objectives. It seems you do have a grudge against LU staff. There are going to be thousands of people using public transport and this will increase the pressure on LU staff. There's nothing wrong in asking for compensation as a result. And ?500 is really is a small amount of money these days. > If the money comes out of LU and goes to the > employees IT IS an additional net cost to the > taxpayer, either in a less reduced subsidy or an > increased subsidy. > > It cannot be anything else. Money doesn't grow on > trees. As there are crowds of people using public transport then this in turn will increase the revenue for LU. To say that money grows on trees is simply daft. > > Regarding Hester my understanding is that this was > a performance based bonus for cutting 0.5 trillion > quid off the banks exposure. Whether you think > this is appropriate or not is completely > irrelevant. Hester was brought in after the crash > to save the bank. He was offered a performance > based contract to achieve this and has. I had a quick look at the RBS company reports and it said nothing about knocking off the 0.5 trillion quid of their exposure. However, it seems you got yourself confused when actually RBS cut their balance sheet by ?600bn through the disposal of assets including their ?17m company jet. I can't see why the banker's should get a bonus for clearing the mess that they themselves have created. > > There are questions over whether bonuses of this > size are effective, and whether they influence > performance - but that is @#$%& all to do with > Hester, and is irrelevant to his payment now. > > The board were correct to threaten to resign en > masse if this was arrangement was overturned, as > the bank would lose all credibility, most of the > senior staff and its value would collapse. The boards behaviour is tantamount to holding the government to ransom over the bonuses issues. Since when did banks had any credibility since the financial crises started in 2007? > > As a result the taxpayers would risk losing the > ?45bn they have so far invested in keeping it > afloat. More 'holding the government ransom' talk. > > My guess is the unions wouldn't give a shit about > this, because they don't care about the taxpayer, > and sticking one on the management would be much > more important than @#$%& up the nation. Irrelevant nonsense.

@SJ, I'm not sure who you're referring to as 'you'. My view on this thread have always been that Evra has acted with integrity in tackling racism issue and I'm outraged that he should be subjected to boos just because he exercised his rights. Liverpool as a football club have handled the situation very badly by turning a legitimate complaint into a 'world against Suarez' and 'club against' issues. Not all Liverpool fans are racist but I can't help feeling that a minority have taken their cue from the club's own behaviour.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "condoning racism" I'm struggling to find out what exactly Evra did wrong to deserve the boos. He was within his rights to take his complaint of racism to the FA and Suarez was banned for 8 games as a result of a fair hearing. To boo Evra is actually condoning racism.

Harry Redknapp is a man who understands football. He doesn't need to know the price tag of players to recognise their true worth. Spurs will suffer if Harry is serving a lengthy prison sentence.

It doesn't matter anymore. In any case I've not seen US interest rate mortgages being offered for a number of years.

Perhaps it's time to name the station as Dulwich Hill in view that Dulwich may never appear on the London tube map.

Oh Hal9000, I was going to tease Loz for a bit by saying through my sheer brilliance.

Fortunately, payments are in Sterling.

Van Persie has a better goal ratio than Defoe as well. I have seen the stats JL so I'm afraid you've suspected wrong. Dzeko has a strike rate of a goal for every 93 minutes and Aguero has a strike rate of a goal per 107 minutes. All the City strikers have better goal ratio than Defoe. While Defoe's goal ratio is quite good then there's always a danger this could worsen if he starts more games.

I'm more interested in goals per season. If you look at Balotelli, his goal ratio is a goal for every 85 minutes of play yet he is the third highest goal scorer at his club. I'll doubt Defoe matches Balotelli's strike rate.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It is UDT. Goddam it you're right! :) Economics is pretty easy to understand. This is the reason why I got myself a mortgage based on the US interest rate. It also makes me risk averse to turbulent UK interest rates as the Tories usually screw up in that area. ;-)

Have you've been looking at naughty websites?

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. I can't wait to see Oxlade-Chamberlain playing > alongside Rooney in an England shirt (well, I did > say...) Pat Rice thought Chamberlain was an England international of the future during an post champions league match interview. > > 2. How do Southampton keep producing such talent? It's shame they're not back in the premiership. Remember Le Tissier & Le Seaux?