snorky

I stand corrected in this case.. cheers

You know what, without taking the piss, I do think this is something this site can do - LL Resturanteurs - stop this 10% service charge included bollocks, and let us tip directly - WITH CASH! the people who serve us

Whats Being Northern got to do with class anyway ? Its Czech and Slovak nannies that the fashionable now Jenny dear. Please do try to keep up.

Asset Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > nutella's not so bad snorky. at least it has > protein content. > > to get back to the original thread - I didn't buy > anything I normally wouldn't, in fact bought less > than usual because I got all discombobulated in > there, don't like the layout of the fruit & veg > section. > > Was intrigued to see you can buy tents and > sleeping bags etc. Anyone who's serious about > camping would not buy a tent from sainsbo's. people rave about Italian chocolate - but it all seems to be nutella derived -urgh tents etc - def. has to be Decathalon in surrey quays - not Sainsurys

PS - need to get the snorklets off their appalling Nutellea stuff, hence this idea

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dulce de leche? Nero thats it! I have also just found out that the Cheese Block is a stockist - there is also another stockist on LL - but I refuse to name the establishment or give it any of my time / direct any business in its direction so head for the Cheese Block !

I want some of that argentinian milk based vanillary spread stuff for bread - dont know if they stock it or what its called tho'

No one is dismissing this out of hand and no one is dismissing this as scaremongering.

Im sure what the Copper said to CWALD was said in good faith, but ( I may raise some hackles here ) The average plod isnt too bright usually and if he had any sense, this one should not have made such a sweeping and worrying statement. Very very very few kids in the West are snatched for these purposes - this shockingly rare - put yourself in an abusers grimy shoes- why go out in public with all the risks it involves when there are so many other ways you can achieve your aims within the structure of a dysfuinctional family unit ? - percentages differ, but we must all know that the vast majority of abuse goes on within the family itself - maybe not blood relations, but often with the explicit or implicit agreement of the parent/s.The Gary Glitter stuff mentioned was invariably from overseas and usually with the knowledge of the parent/s - but thats a different issue of course If this did happen in ED , then you must put it in perspective and realise how rare and unlikely it is to happen - however dstasteful it may seem - statistically, we are safer now than we have ever been with regard to this type of public act - as mentioned, whispering and rumour dont help things um.

does seem odd to me - I would have expected some kind of Southwark/ POlice public response/ request for assistance ? but again, its an emotive subject and as I have no knowledge of this indicdent on way or another, maybe its not right to speculate

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If anyone has any blind friends or relatives I > could help...... Oh, and I will play guitar and > sing at parties ;-) > > In return I'd like a 3 bed semi please. What a shame, I am looking for a guitar player/ childrens entertainer for this saturday, but can only offer a 2 bed flat( GCH not tested, needs some updating ) oh well, next time

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would that underground stream be where the > wildlife centre is now? I always thought that > derelict house on Marsden Rd was due to neglect - > its neighbour seems alright. look diagonally accross for th fornt of thr collapsing house and you will see the other side of th stret has expeienced distinct - and patched up - slumping affecting 1/2 houses only

macroban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For clarity I should have written that the old > Goose Green area was more like the area we now > know as Grove Vale. > > I have seen no evidence on maps dating from 1744 > up to present for ponds on any part of the old > Goose Green area including what we now call Goose > Green. I suppose I ought to check some of the > older books like Brayley's "History of Surrey" and > Blanch's "Ye Parish of Camerwell" just in case > there are references I have forgotten to small > ponds that never made it to the maps. > > Probably the quickest way to nail the ponds is to > contact John Beasley through the Peckham Society > and ask for his source(s) especially for the pond > said to be under St John's. > > For the moment it seems to me there is a circular > argument here. Something like: > > It's called Goose Green so there must have been > geese > > There were geese so there must have been a pond > > > There was a pond so there must have been geese > > There were geese and that's why it's called > Goose Green > > > I have also never seen any evidence for > underground streams in the Marsden Road area. I > know little of geology, but I understand that > natural underground streams don't happen in clay > soils and that where people think there are > underground streams it is actually just surface > ground-water that is unable to permeate through > the fine particles of the clay. > > Large scale Ordnance Survey maps exist for the > Marsden Road area from when it was still enclosed > fields. There are no overground streams shown > which could have been re-routed underground when > the area was developed for housing. > > However there are field boundaries shown of what > was the old Friern Manor. I would not be surprised > if there were agricultural drainage ditches along > these boundaries. I've not checked the historic > field boundary alignments with the present day > Marsden Road, but it is plausible that a house was > "jerry-built" over one of these ditches. > > I'm quite intrigued about the source of the > information about underground streams. AFAIK, stream maybe a little optimistic TBH - its more of a water table issue - the marsen/og area does get boggy along the boundaries of the back to back gardens when theres alot of water - ask a resident - you are right about underground streams ( I too know some geology ) - underground rivers are usually in karst type environments . the wildlife centre is a good half meter lower than the surrounding streets if you take a walk down - it would be natural for water to acuumulate here - this would also be casued by ole skool agricultural ditches/ drains in the same area I Know John beasley, so Ill pull him to one side next time i see him!

mikeb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would that underground stream be where the > wildlife centre is now? I always thought that > derelict house on Marsden Rd was due to neglect - > its neighbour seems alright. stream goes right under it - the house is collapsing

this is heading loungeward...........

erm....it was a play off for Euro 2000 - hardly a meaningless fiendly here:

BTW, I remember the last Flood at ED Station. the horror. the horror

mockney piers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To be fair Driot-de-Seigneur was just something > your Norman ruling class type exercised over > whomsoever he ruled, be he Saxon, Celt or Pict. > Braveheart has about as much historical accuracy > as the dodgy dossier; it's useful only to pump up > Scotsmen before a football game against the > English that they'll probably lose anyway. erm......What happened the last time England & Scotland met ? last ever home international at the old wemberlee

Strangeley enough, oglander/ marsen/ondine are boggy where the gardens meet in the middle and the water table is high - eg at the minute - I have commented before, but the underground stream has caused some houses to be declared unsafe & abandoned due to sinking & movement. - you must know the famous one that is a shell & is held up by what seems scaffolding on Marsen road - this stream must have been related to the Goose green ponds ( as described above ). goose green- as it was - has ponds - and the ex goose green area still shows evidence of bogs/ waterlogging Ponds without geese ? Unimaginable I rest my case

check out John Beasleys stuff - you cane get it in that Bookshop with th leaky ceiling on LL - there is a goose link to the area + water "This was the village green of East Dulwich and long ago was connected to Peckham Rye Common. It was part of the manor of Camberwell Friern and was purchased as an open space in 1868. It may have received its name from the time Mrs Dench kept donkeys and geese on the green. Another theory is that it was originally called Gorse Green for botanical reasons. There used to be a pound for stray animals which is shown on Dewhurst's 1842 map. There were two ponds, one on the site of St John the Evangelist Church. There was a drinking fountain erected on the green in commemoration of the Jubilee of Queen Victoria (1837-87). In Memories of the good and bad old days of childhood contributed by some East Dulwich people Elsie Stukings wrote: 'When the war years came in 1914 we children used to look through high railings round Goose Green and watch the soldiers drilling, and there were horses and tents as well'. History GG ?

great idea, but As a city wage slave, I could offer nothing of value to anyone in the real world sadly:'(

maybe its a speakeasy - where ED regulars "in the know" can go along at midnight and sip potato moonshine from delicate china cups ? retro.

soft play - word.

Its midsummer, time of madness and rasndowem violence - its the oppressive heat and humidity you see

IF they make it from the station to LL, then they have a fighting chance of seeing the next dawn - Is-72 is good - if a little noisy when the owner begins to ..erm...DJ may not be the right word - Liquorish OK - Bishop is a bit, well.... Thinks of LL as the "Green zone", wheareas anywhere North of Goose Green School as "Sadr City"