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er " The one thing that's clear is that there wasn't some sort of hypothetical over managed bureaucracy.@ ...er...oh no? * Looks at chart scratches head. Or are you being ironic? the various enquiries have been launched Huge by the moonhowlers in the BBC not on my request. The only enquiry I've ever advocated is the one into the paedo ring in north wales if you look back. But you never read peoples posts properly ever EVER just jump in with your own assumptions on what they are saaying or standing for in your enthusiasm to get your stuff out. When I started work an old and clever mentor said to me "Two of these (pointing at his ears, one of these(pointing at his mouth)" shhheeeeeeeesh, you could have done with that mentor......

I was waiting for that bit of obvious bile Ted......That's news International Ted not Sky, which is only 50% owned by Murdoch. That's not what this debate is about. And letting a very dodgy TV presenter (and his mates) carry on fronting kids programmes whilst aware of 'rumours' for years aint that ethical....at all but it's ok it's the well meaning beeb Move on from hatred into some fact.....

Means aliens are in the vicinity normally

You and Danny Baker (and me as it happens), but my dear old mum loves it. Anyway I'll get back later re qs.

Crumbs and there was me thinking that East Dulwich was a Victorian suburb built for families rather than a hipster singledom spot that has recently been invaded by families......

if you stop your propagandist the Murdoch devil rant about SKY and think about Sky News is widely respected within the industry, was the first to roll out 24 hour news in the UK and has many respected broadcasters and journalists on its payroll. sky's business model is to buy content rather than create it. That doesn't stifle creativity it just means it is created elsewhere among small and large production companies from HBO to Al Murray,s production company, so is Sky that creative in that sense no, but the creativity is elsewhere and far less of a top down monopoly on creativity. sky sports completely revolutionised cricket coverage from the BBCs old a few hours in the day and no overseas coverage other than highlights at 11.15 he irony on football is that one of the reasons that Sky bid so much (relatively) for the original Premiership rights was as a Trojan horse into a market so dominated by the state monopoly (BBC). To be honest, if football clubs chose to spend their new gotten wealth on making a whole load of footballers millionaires I don't quite know how you can blame that on Sky. Murdoch has to answer to the Sky shareholders not license payers, do I think James Murdoch is overpaid, yes, have I any shares in Sky, no. not my problem. I haven't any Sky subscription incidentally and only watch the football in the pub as I am quite happy with my terrestrial (including the BBC) and Netflix but the Sky is the devil crap rather than a strong and well run broadcaster is unthinking, prejudice.

are you talking to me? Harriet Harman? Gris Patten? John Humphries? The BBC itself? The Guardian. The telegraph? Many former DGs all who have criticised (note not attacked) the BBC over this 'ridiculous saga' or are you just howling at the moon again Huge?

PS I hope Newsnight doesn't go as it is my personal favourite news programme but I don't think Channel 4 news is much worse and that's probably run on just Jeremy Paxman's salary

I support public broadcasting, I said it earlier Public Institutions shouldn't be beyond criticism and reform - something that most deeply conservative part of the establishment 'the progressive liberal left' seem unwilling to acknowledge, indeed reacts with the normal defence mechanism normally involving a pile of emotive set reactions including words like 'privatisation, profit, destroying the NHS/dismantling the welfare state etc etc and very little willingness to actually debate or discuss any reform. Anyway back to the BBC horrendously overstaffed with far too much nothing jobs middle management and no clear lines of responsibility and generally not much of a price to pay for failure unless the events are as catastrophic as this one. he huge resources of the BBC dwarf that of say SKY and ITV both of whom produce just as good and news programmes and generally are more adventurous. Sky is also generally a far better sports broadcaster, revolutionising both football and cricket coverage for eg. My suspicion is, as said earlier, that the BBC could have quite a lot more knocked of its budget without damaging its output. I play up the lefty bias bit to rile you but however politically neutral it is it cannot be good that one public broadcaster controls 70% of UK people's news and its budgets stifle competition so makes it harder for other private media and especially in areas like digital is actually pretty destructive and sucks entrepreneurism away into its cozy near monopoly. Does some things brilliantly but not as much as its champions proclaim and stifles competition. I'd like reform of the BBC but I think everything business, the welfare state, the NHS, etc should be looked at for reform to suit changing times and needs whereas you socialists thinks everything should stay as exactly as it is, you conservatives :)

Anyone else hear the sounds of pennies finally dropping?

Looking down on Spuds and The Gooners IS fun

As SJ said Entwistle is going, I suspect, as much becuase of his very lacklustre performance with Humphries as the scandal.

,,easy game

again, it's the BBC not the Croydon Bugle basic chain of reporting stuff within the media not huge complicated business moddelling. I dunno like "What's on the show toinight?" "we are reporting on a tory peado ring?". Hmm, what's your source? um this blokes claims and all sorts of buzz on t'internet. Ok, given the circumstances let's run with this without going for approval further up" The enquiry I refer too is the one into the Paedo Rings that the PM announced last week but I guess you're once again commentatiting on events that you know little about being miles away that's not a dig but just noticing that you seem completley uunaware that this is actually the major media story over here in blighty.....not a load of right wing huff and puff. I think the BBC is launching its own enquiry into both this and Saville. Raher than saying oh just a silly mistake from a new team/old team, nothing to see here.

Why don't we just rename Newsnight Heat then *Bob* and then it will all be ok if to report this stuff on its major serious news output........

The BIJ were investigating it fair enough The BBC a publicly funded, politically neutral body broadcast it , terrible 'shoody' journalism to quote Lord Patten....not fair enough. It's not the fooking Sun and I'd expect that even they wouldn't have published it.

...oh here we go BS, the BBC is untouchable and any one who claims otherwise is a DailyMail reading etc etc etc. That's what is predictable.

,,,anyway, hopefully we'll get one of the women candidates(I think there's two potential) chosen as DG as it's about time and it may help in some of the other enquiries re a culture of sexual harrassment. In terms of editorial policy, I am just staggered, nay flabergasted that a story like this in the current environment didn't go up the chain for approval (and I tend to believe it didn't) Smacks of a far too big management chain of ineffectual managers (with lovely salaries and pensions and senior ones on Management Company tax dodging schemes a la Humphries - trebles all round). I support the BBC and public broadcasting but it's a horrible, inefficient monster bureacracy, which stifles competition from elsewhere. I'd like to see the BBC cut say in half, and Radio and Televsion seperated under seperate structures/management etc(which would go some way to breaking down the BBCs massive monoloply on broadcast news for instance ) - don't think it would damage programme quality much either.

the mob, right wing conspiracy theories,hounding out, etc etc, all good stuff huge, ultimatelly you are actually a bit of CTist yourelf really. The CT that has actually been doing the rounds is that there was a massive senior tory Paedo Ring operating in the 80s, largely based on a statement from a single source who has now retracted, and this and the BBC reported and this combined with the general 'all tories are scum' ideology of many ultra intelligent thinking liberals (not all, I hasten to add, some did question it) has been twittering/facebooking even EDFing its way round social media for several weeks now and now it looks to have been on highly dodgy ground ie one poor damaged fellas abuse claims. To compare this with Jimmy Saville, where multiple long running claims were coming in is just stupid. I still think an enquiry should be launched to get to th truth.

V good day Mr m. What sort of price did you get on Man U 2 down?

"The Newsnight fiasco demonstrated inexperience and, ironically, a desire to be seen as transparent. They reported an allegation supported by witnesses and the police, they're not a court of law. " ....90 year old media colossus' flagship highbrow news programme at a time when it's under scrutiny is just 'inexperienced' lol - what do you think it is Huge a small piece in the Croydon Bugle? Apparently the BBC are trawling the EDF 'cos they hear New Nexus has some truly explosive stuff to report....

Er, no, I meant both if you look at my op and response to Straefer

Go on their (BBC) own website and look right now. Don't take the words of a fascist like me..... Incompetent/bias disgraceful journalism by a publicly funded body.

...they play AC/DC in the Adventure Bar

The Voice, however, is sh1t