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I have it as a draw EP

Blackjack is -ev unless you can count cards. I hate casino games.

Let me expand on just one example of a bluff online. Say we have a pot for $1 dollar between me and a random player. Crap players will quite often try and bluff with a minimum bet into that of say 6c (that's 5% of pot value) of the pot if . Now if I've a draw or a made hand or a decent high card, I'll call that all day long as if i hit I'm getting paid off and 6c to see another card for a 106C pot is nothing. ( A decent player with a hand (or not) will bet at least 50C into that pot incidentally) . So, if someone does that to me online and I've nothing I almost immediately raise say 25C that's enough and they almost always fold on their stooopid fishy bet. If they don't they have practicall always got the low card on the flop paired. Now, if i am playing someone semi-decent and I hit a flop very hard I will sometimes make a 6c bet because thy'll as likely think what a donkey and reraise me with nothing (like I just did to the bad player) and then I will reriase them again, they will then probably fold but I've still got more mobney bacjk with that play than if i'd har raised them say 60C on the flop as I should (technically) you see? Bluff and play that is player dependent and nothing to do with your cards.

anyway, this is the betting thread not the poker one

Stud or Omaha? Stud I presume

nope. Not at all. Just higher level thinking. He thinks that I'm thinking he's got this so he'll think I've got this if i take this action blah de bklah...a bit like that old Racey song Little does she know that I know that she knows etc You can represnt hands (bluff) on the internet with the right lines of play and bet sizes etc you choose your spots against the approriate players to make bluffs, certain types of bluff work with certain players, certain bluffs with others, A lot of beginner players are just looking at their own 2 cards for instance and you won't bluff them off any piece of the flop they've got. It's actually easier to bluff better players to a degree. Poker's endlessy fascinating and complicated for a simple game in principle I've played seriously for 8 years and am still getting my head round some of the advanced theory.

...anyone else thinking there's loads of people itching to join in on this one ....but just can't quite get themselves to post :)

Split pot highest and lowest hands win but the lo must be a low hand under 8. The pot is shared ie you just bet generically, ideally you want your hand to be working both ways as about a 1/3 of the time plus there won't be a low hand So, best starting cards are AA23 double suited. I play hi/lo stud a bit too

No. I don't think so. You're never that far ahead in Omaha so you are on thinner margins which means a reasonable tactic is to shove all in with many hands pre or on the flop, especially if you think the other player is better than you. I guess at a really high level where you know the percentages spot on and are really good at calculating your opponents ranges then maybe there's more skill but my suspicion is that the top players are just gambling . I think 'cos Omaha is played less and there is less theory/hand analysis out there then for the top players if they think they have an edge on other pros then maybe that's a plus EV spot for them, whereas most of the really top players are just swapping chips around at hold 'em . Personally not a big fan of Omaha, I like Omaha Hi/Lo though. Hundreds? We have had several pots for over a $ million on our site.

'tis true. The Black & White minsterals were still prime time in the 70s too!

pS I have over doubled my Betfair account balance in 2012 (To date), my best year ever. With a few more weekends and the King George to come I may reduce that a bit but do stick to my 'never more than 5% of my bankroll' rule. I have also built up my 888 poker account on a free $5 in my account to $145...free money ...i won't mention my PokerStars account :(

Traded out my QPR to be relegated down from 6.5 to 2.5ish....loverleee. Mick, you losing on Rory at the moment?

PD, I think you're right we do mix it a bit but there's af air bit of that in there too! - Monday Night Vs Stoke....no wonder tickets are still available :)

Like EP, When I was young there were teachers and scoutmasters etc that everyone* knew to avoid or not be alone with, and even the parents and i suspect other teachers were sort of in on it 'be careful of mr x' and we all* did and it wasn't in that sense an issue. Funnily enough alot of the irish gutys i work with say it was the same with Priests in that everyone knew who the dodgy ones were...so it was all sort of ignored *of course this was for the majority who had stable families, were in the normal range of popularity etc this was sort of fine and dandy. For the unpopular, handiccaped, those not in table families, basically the vunerable this was of course not a workable approach as time has sadly revealed

Arsenal 1 Tottenham 1 Liverpool 2 Wigan 0 Man City 1 Aston Villa 0 Newcastle 0 Swansea 1 (Newcastle look poor to me) QPR 1 Saints 0 Reading 0 Everton 2 West Brom 0 Chelsea 2 Norwich 1 Man U 2 Fulham 2 Sunderland 0 West Ham 2 Stoke 2 Plus a neck ache for me as I am going to this Hoofball spectacular!

Can't be long for Simon Bates surely....the Golden Hour approaches

My brother in law is in a metal prog group, my two worst nightmares in music terms. I don,t get it at all because he has some great taste in other music is really dedicated to his band and is a talented musician, this makes no sense to me artistically or commercially! Back to dub step, in an attempt to get down with the kids (and bob) I don't mind some of this...

Cliff Richard anyone?

I can't tell wether they are girls or boys

Shows how ahead of the game I was :)

Yeah but you don't drink in November Mick....oh, hang on a minute

Plastic anarchists rool ok

I fondly remember cokes and crisps in the car outside a pub for what seemed like hours on Saturday lunchtimes in the early 70s.....the good old days

and this... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20304848 US industry is becoming competitive again due to significantly reduced energy bills US households getting a nice boost to incomes as shale gas reduces the average household bill by 20% US will have less and less interest in the Middle East...this could be dangerous or good ...it's a game changer

Ted Max Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What this thread needs is a really stout defence > of shit parenting. I am trying to organise a flashmob of low blood sugar toddlers and 4X4 buggies to the Castle during the Ireland game if you're up for it Ted