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What's the difference between drinking from a can in GG playground or having a glass of wine in the Abretorium area in Peckham Rye?...i don't see much other than 'class'

Noted

yup. Sold out. Also the 'anyone but fatty' factor.

You're not going to suggest a veggie kebab with Foxy in Turkey are you Seabag?

I agree with Louisa - a lot of the green belt isn't pretty countryside - just reducing it by say 500 yards would add enormously to building land and, combined with brownfield, help reduce prices etc.

if Foxy's been going to Turkey for 25 years he must be getting well sick of all the blow ins of the last ten years

fazer71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > In Spain, Italy and France children don't behave > like out of control maniacs as often as they do in > ED. > >This is a much repeated load of old toss that comes up every time we have this debate. Kids in Spain ans Italy runabout like maniacs in bars and restaurants as much as in the UK and also far far later into the night. People in these countries are just more kid tolerant. I have family in italy and lived in Spain before you ask.

yup Fazer.... good luck to a pub that starts a 'no kids' policy in SE22.

the best it's been for weeks this morning.

Optimistic about Kane this year Jah? Didn't look great in the under 21s - I think it'll be hard for him to repeat last year. I think he's a decent player to be clear but not absolutely convinced last season wasn't a bit of a flash in the pan?

This is a differing viewpoint about Gentification (Spectator naturally). It's not really speaking about London as it kind of says London as a global mega-city is different. But that London's unaffordibility should regenerate plenty of other areas...a good thing surely? Rebaalancing etc? Still, the old horrible Blow ins rubbish will continue - much of Islington and places like Camberwell Grove were of course saved from being knocked down and turned into concrete hell in the 1960s by middle class blow ins in reality http://www.spectator.co.uk/arts/arts-feature/9565362/the-moral-case-for-gentrification/

basically Place I can afford to live in = vibrant, lively, community minded paradise Place I can't afford to live in = souless, one dimensional, blow in, generic toy town

Nope. Spot on - saw them at Camp Bestival absolute pants. Right time right place.

Guardian Journalist in swapping Hackney for keeping it real Brighton shocker.

I woz 16 innit - SHAM ARMY :)

Sham 69 at Reading 78....not so civilised :)

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > These days it's a nicey-festival for mostly > nicey-people (who can afford it obvs - though I > don't think the tickets are really mad-expensive > in all honesty). I'd go back and actually see some > bands next time. > > That said, I wouldn't trade the (hazy) memories of > the final few years of utter carnage for anything > though. As close to Mad Max as I think you'd ever > be likely to get, with the pros and cons of that. > Loved it though. > > In short, I'm glad I saw the old one but I'll be > preferring my kid and their friends to go to the > new incarnation thanks all the same. I think I would say the same for Football too :)

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the 50's when I was a young kid. My parents > used to take me to the White Horse (Peckham) > which had a small garden. > > Kids were not allowed in the bar, to the extent > that when my dad took me to the loo for a wee > he was barracked and shouted out by all the > customers. > The Landlord went berserk and I had to go outside > and have a wee in the alleyway outside the pub. > > That's how things were in most pubs. > > DulwichFox That was mainly because that was the law then Foxy - kids under 14 were not allowed in a pub legally then

god BLOW----INS really is censored :)

Surely The Ledbury for a man of your taste and wallet Steveo

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah well that's that then. > > I'm ready to return to the fold and give it > another go in person next time I think. My period > of mourning for The Old Festival is over.. take it > for what it is now and (weather permitting) it > still looks like a fine way to spend a weekend. I think you're about right here *Bob*. Times have changed and that Festivals are generally now for middle-class blow-ins and their kids isn't neccessarily a bad thing....the fact you can have a ?5 sh1t and get a ?90 sit down meal demonstrate this (genuienely). I liked the Sparks/FF thing, Suede and Parliament of what I saw and have seen so far.

92ish almost everyone of their nuts, very tribal, ravers, New Age travellers, bikers, huge bunches of dodgy northerners (I'll keep it at that) endemic petty theft. Still a lot of fun

Leaving all your possessions in your tent? From 1980 onwards no Way...got way too bad AM had to get run professionally sadly but By the early 90s it was completely out of control

Half the cabinet and most Tory think tanks are down there...enuff said. All good fun but now as much part of the season as Ascot/Henley etc......give me Henge 1984 or even better Castle Morton any day* *if i was young Here

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ???? Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You sound like a Punk Mic > > Just teasing our local guitar hero. > > What do the music officiados think of Florence? 1/10 to her and your fishing