SeanMacGabhann

This thing is being talked to death - I'm going off the idea now!

Looking forward to it already. I like the Herne but as it is more restauranty these days, are we booking some space or relying on the weather to hang out in the undulating garden space?

see you there... I'm deliberately holding off curries in the run up to this...

I'm on Friern - just a few doors from buggie and in the words of Iggy Pop - "I got mine"

I'm like... rully... looking forward to Holland v France tonight 2-1 to the dutch?

relive that youth Rosie 24 Hour Party people

I don't even like vinegar!

Honaloochie We keep giving it a fair hearing and it keeps p***ing on our chips (metaphorically speaking)

That pesky oil business Saw some "customers" being interviewed on the news tonight - basically any advice to not panic buy was met with short shrift from these fine citizens.. just remember folks, when food and oil get scarce, it's dog eat dog out there. Methinks the blitz spirit may not be seen again

What bothers me most about the Vale was they had a new manager (Darren?) come on a few months ago and try and solicit what people thought was wrong with the place - so I thought for once it might be worth giving it a fair crack of the whip I should have been suspicious when Darren went quiet/got sacked/had had enough - whichever happened first - shortly after

What's with the Peckscum remark MW? Plenty of people live in Peckham and are quite happy there? "scum" in particular is a very judgemental and harsh term no?

Keef - they certainly could not find out who you really are by clicking on the link at the end of your sig that's for sure ;-)

seanmac is absolutely fine - I've been called that by some people since my teens and twenties anyway so it's no biggy I refuse to refer to you as bignumber5 in real life tho..

But my point is that by saying "everyone", the truth is you have done ok. I have done ok. Many people on here have done ok Would we have done better had we stripped away the "chaff"? I'm not so sure I agree with some of the problems you highlight but it's the solution that I disagree with I'm not disagreeing that the environment and everything would be better. But if there are that many disruptive kids then I would say the solution is not to ghetto-ise but to figure out better ways of educating. Casting the wasters into whatever level 10 class with Mr NoHopeLoser as a teacher is only storing up trouble for the future

errr Brendan.. have you HEARD Piers speak??

I seem to remember Warehouse in particular being mahoosive when I used to go - (95ish?) - Went back there a couple of years ago with Lady MacGabhann before it got turned into a lapdancing joint and it was absolutely tiny...

Minnies - Youghal Gigis - Youghal Spiders - Cork Level 3 - Swindon Boxes/Warehouse - Exeter But to call them clubs in the sense that you probably mean ratty is probably wrong.

(tu)*peace back * but more seriously, and all snideness (snidity?) apart you did say "everyone" a substandard education - only in your subsequent post did you exapand to say that, in fact you didn't mean "everyone". So was my analysis flawed or was I going with the facts as presented? In any case the bigger questions remain unanswered. Do you believe (in your school for example) that EVERYONE in the bottom 5 were/are a write-off Were there people in there who might have benefited from proper guidance (not necessarily the school system in it's current form) And if you do consider them a write-off, how much of your taxes saved will be spent locking them up or otherwise dealing with them later on in life?

and I though the >:D< meant you did enjoy it ah well I have been put in my place by my betters

A man of mischief for sure but I THINK I managed to get you to crack a smile... I mean, every time I read one of your posts I imagine a little lapdog on your... well lap I suppose, with you stroking it and telling it not to listen to the bad people ;-) (that was a joooooke) As for your interpretation - you are bang on with sentence one. After that you let (IMO) a bunch of prejudices colour your thinking.. My interpretation is more like "Isn't it disgraceful when a posh person drops litter! She's like me - I'm partial to a Boden catalogue, organic vegetable and have had a good education too! We are so similar and yet she is a litterbug! She should know better. Oooh now she's annoyed me - I'm going to take the p*** out of her size, for today I am feeling ungallant! I do hope no-one misinterprets these thoughts" (I may have made that last sentence up)

* sups pint and listens to clive3300, nodding simultaneously * * meanwhile, slowly but very deliberately backs away * Her we get to the nub of the question. As a society just what do we do with people who are feckless/uninterested (apart from make the president - ba dum tsh) I have yet to hear the phrase "I object to my taxes..." come out of the mouth of anyone who isn't doing pretty darned well. Certainly compared with 98% (random made up figure to illustrate a point!) of the global population Re: "I am fine on spending taxes on poor kids with ability and who are interested in learning. But I object to taxes being wasted on keeping kids (of working age) in school who dont give a damn about education" It's easy enough to point out wasters in school. That doesn't mean they are without prospects. Any number of factors could contribute to disruptive behaviour. Making ghettos certainly won't lift them out of trouble. "Only the lefty nutters think everyone really wants to do an honours degree" - by which you mean anyone on the left is a nutter presumably? Besides what good is a degree if everyone can get one "Spreading the resources, both money and human, simply gives everyone a substandard education. " + "I went to a government school where I did get a decent education." Ohh dear - what to make of that. Apparently the decent education didn't include how to make a consistent argument But if we fast forward to the conclusion of targetting the money and resources to the good kids - how will it improve the world we live in? "Most kids want to get the hell out of school and the last few years of school are a total waste. " - First half is true. Certainly for me. I left at 16. Second half... not so true

You have GOT to stop doing that....

I hear you Ted And it HAS been relegated to the back pages in recent weeks ;-)

Isn't that series 1? I'm in two minds wether to post the link to that scene or not

* hugs BB *