and of course tied pubs are hugely undercut by the likes of weatherspoons who have buying clout, and that's where your 'loyal customers' of old school boozers end up. So tied pubs HAVE to offer something else to get punters through the door as they literally can't offer a cheap pint. Food is the obvious, comedy, music nights, quizzes, sports (if the sky licence doesn't cripple you first) hopefully a good atmosphere etc, but all have to be incentives to get the buggers to eat ... or drink wine thinking about it; can you keep a couple of places going single handedly Lou?