JohnL

Even if we can't have a second vote many of us are preparing the long march to Article 49 and re-entry into the EU. That's why marches will go on and on and on.

campbell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is terrible!! I went on Friday 3 times > (having given up on 2 occasions because the queue > wasn't moving - only one person at the desk). The > queue went round the corner to the top of the ramp > and into the car park. There was an elderly lady > with a zimmer frame (I got her to the front to be > served) and someone else in a wheel chair. I had > to collect that day because it was a box of live > food for my son's lizard. I did phone a main > number they gave me to register a complaint. Is > this poor management because of privatisiation? It > is totally unacceptable. They've always been slow - but it used to be the case the queue was 3 or 4 people so was OK. Maybe people can actually prepare their ID in the queue - but there's also often arguments about ID.

Mind anecdotally I hear from pub managers - mainly central london that staff are leaving soon - come Brexit there might not be enough staff to serve in pubs (maybe we can do self service :) ) Seriously - pubs may soon want to attract and retain staff - I don't work in a pub so I don't know if that means more flexibility, better conditions, prospects or whatever.

Switched on BBC News at 1:00 AM last night and Yanis Varoufakis (still titled former Greek finance minister ) was on talking about striking and even bringing down governments by striking. He thinks that's all part of democracy and completely valid :)

Rhinestone Cowboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > City > Liverpool > Spurs > Chelsea .. .. .. .. Cardiff Not that I'm biased from Swansea or anything :) (in fact I wish them well, just not too well)

Workers can go on strike without the involvement of a union BUT it's got to be legal. https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-faces-industrial-action/nonunion-employees-and-strikes

I heard 171 might be losing a large part of the route too (It's not really ED - but I use it)

intexasatthe moment Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > House next door to my mum in Peckham took years to > be possessed by council and auctioned off . > > The owner couldn't be traced ( though rather > unhappily his body was uncovered in the house when > it was being gutted ) and Southwark eventually > claimed the building in lieu of unpaid taxes , That's awful

LKR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > of course been reported, tracking devise in house > on charge... hmmmm. Makes you wonder - could they have known that.

I've a Hotpoint and it's worked for 10 years. Is that a record. Saying that the drying isn't to good these days - been told you can open it up and clean the tubes - but that'll probably kill it.

New Barclays opened just outside my work (Holborn) where Sports Direct was. Loads of machines - one user at lunchtime.

Corbyns made an offer to May Has to be a trap. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-labour-leader-dramatically-offers-theresa-may-a-deal-on-brexit-a3946286.html

Someone dumped a sofa on Rye Lane a few weeks ago and all the hipsters used it as a temporary hangout. It was gone in the morning though.

Passiflora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > alex_b Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Surely being in a list of "cool" places in a > Daily > > Mail article is the definition of uncool? > > Not sure what you mean alex but I can't wait to > read my paper version of the Daily Mail everyday! Paul Dacre left at the end of August. Anyone who does read it see any change (if you want to out yourselves) ?

It's a sort of tittering rather than full blooded laughing

All this goes past on the Guardian as it's live commentary - but it's interesting .. One thing for sure - Corbyn has no problems sleeping at night ... and he's not planning on going anywhere. "Jeremy Corbyn has been giving a series of interviews to broadcasters today. The Press Association?s Andrew Woodcock was sitting in, and he has filed the best quotes, embargoed until 5pm. Here they are. Corbyn refused to say how he would vote in a second Brexit referendum. Asked about this by Sky, he said: Well we don?t know what the question is going to be in the referendum so that is a hypothetical question. I can?t answer that question because we don?t know what the question is going to be. When Channel 4 News asked if he would rule out voting remain, he replied: We will decide what our position is. I am the leader of the party and I will respect the decision of the party. He backed what Sir Keir Starmer said in his conference speech about remain being an option in any second referendum backed by Labour. Asked if he supported Starmer?s words, he said: Those are the words of the motion that was supported by the National Executive and the shadow cabinet and that is what is being voted on in conference. I think it?s going to be carried by a very large majority. Keir put that in because it?s what?s there in the motion. Corbyn said Starmer?s speech was cleared in advance by his office. Asked if that included the ad libbed line about remain being an option, Corbyn said: ?The speech was cleared.? Corbyn did not rule out revoking article 50. Asked if Brexit would definitely go ahead on 29 March, he replied: At the moment it looks like it, and we will challenge this government with the six tests. If they don?t meet them, then we will vote against them. Asked if article 50 would have to be extended, he replied: That is not in our hands. Article 50 can only be extended by the agreement of the entirety of the European Union. Earlier Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, said clearly that if Labour won an early general election, it would seek to extend article 50. (See 3.14pm.) He defended his decision in the past to take money for appearing on Iranian TV. Asked if he regretted this, he said: I took part in some programmes with Press TV. ... I severed my connection because of the way they treated the opposition parties. Every programme I spoke on, I talked about human rights. He said he was not worried about the security services spying on him. Asked if he was worried about this, in the light of his close aide Andrew Murray?s claims about the ?deep state?, he said: I haven?t noticed it if they are. It?s not something that keeps me awake at night, in fact nothing keeps me awake at night. He said he would carry on as Labour leader until he has achieved his goal. Asked how long he would carry on, he said: I?m very healthy, very fit, very proud to lead our party. I will carry on doing exactly that because I want to bring about a social transformation and give real hope to young people and those who are up against it in our society. Asked when he would feel the job was done, he replied: ?When we?ve achieved it.? "

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > intexasatthe moment Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I wonder what would happen if you ignore the > > request to remove the downlighters ? > > You wouldn't be issued with Building Control's > approval certificate of completion, which could be > an issue when selling the flat... Well that's better than the guy who had his ?600K flat re-possessed by the freeholder. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flat-owner-600000-home-seized-13250657

LOL and the loonies have replied almost straight away.... "This is a betrayal of the very highest order. It is a betrayal not only of the millions of Labour voters, but of our 2017 manifesto. It is a betrayal that voters will remember for a very long time, and we will lose MPs as a result. There is no doubt. It was a P45 to our MPs in the Midlands and Wales. But let me be clear on another thing: Keir?s speech today was a challenge to Jeremy?s leadership. It was a carefully calculated pitch, no doubt written with a team of advisers. He is undermining Jeremy, John McDonnell and millions of Labour voters -- and he knows it." I think the cheers said it all though - Labour's membership including Momentum are for a peoples vote.

fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > diable rouge Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I don't think the Labour Politburo understand > that > > a lot of people lent their vote to Labour at > the > > last election hoping they would support a vote > on > > the final deal, with the option to remain. > Labour > > voting Remainers are going to have to do a lot > of > > soul-searching > > Corbyn is as eurosceptic as they come (albeit for > different reasons than Johnson, Farage and co). > Why would a remainer possibly vote for him? but just now ... 'Keir Starmer "And nobody is ruling out remain as an option." Delegates are cheering and applauding wildly. Some of them stand up. The applause goes on far longer than is normal for a political speech.'

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is very Fringe, a combination of wacky, > funny, and downright scary. I give you the Labour > Leave Loonies... > https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/10442673585 > 23719680 Does it really matter if the EU is a neo-liberal/anti-socialist organisation or whatever. If you believe in the concept of an European Union or a Single market you should stay in and reform it - smashing it down and building something else - or just existing alone as the UK is not the way in my opinion.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > the 6th largest economy in Europe > > > > I'd assumed a slip of the keyboard - reference to > our global rather than European position? I saw this - assumed the same. Some (Brexiters generally) claim we are still 5th biggest in the world. https://money.cnn.com/2017/11/22/news/economy/uk-france-biggest-economies-in-the-world/index.html

You can feel the panic in these tweets. https://twitter.com/pmelmoth/status/1039960552838189056

amac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jenny1 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > A fair and clear assessment. > > > > I'm old enough to remember the 1970s, when our > > status as 'The sick man of Europe' forced us to > go > > 'cap in hand to the IMF'. It was famously the > time > > of the 'brain drain'. That's already started > > again. Without a dramatic change of course, > it's > > very clear what our destination is now going to > > be. And my honest assessment is that there's > > no-one on the political stage with the vision, > > leverage and courage to change that. I hope I'm > > proved wrong. > > > > I agree that this is a key, and worrying, > point. > > > > Loz Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > The political centre has been > > > abandoned, and that is never a good sign. In > a > > > country like Great Britain, that for so long > had > > a > > > reputation for pragmatism and rationality, it > > is > > > grounds for real concern. > > > Interesting comments. But this current > divisiveness is not so black and white. I know > Labour voters who (though they don't like > admitting it) agree with Mogg and co on Brexit. I > know dyed in the wool Tories who are aghast at the > prospect of leaving the EU (the trade bloc that > helps us - as Brexiters, without irony, remind us > ? be the 6th largest economy in Europe). > Essentially, the problem is that far too many of > us Brits have allowed opinion to overwhelm fact, > have not learned their history (some of the second > world war justifications are so so clueless), > appear unable to cooly analyse our situation, have > not listened to independent voices but have chosen > prejudiced ill-informed rabble rousers. It's > happened before and it'll happen again. It's > stupid. But I still hope that the Centre can be > revitalised and made more attractive - it's no > coincidence that this is all happening at a time > when we look a bold, charismatic centrist > politician who has a vision of the future. Find > that person and we can put this right. And yet on some specific policies (such as gender recognition) Theresa May is pushing a much more social centrist agenda than many others. I don't understand her sometimes - however seeing her creep around the fringes of international summits out of synch with every other leader doesn't give me confidence in her. https://www.indy100.com/article/transgender-rules-reform-gender-recognition-act-2004-dysphoria-theresa-may-8427476

What she said: No one wants a good deal more than me. But the EU should be clear. I will not overturn the results of the referendum nor will I break up my country. We need serious engagement on resolving the two big problems in the negotiations. And we stand ready. What she meant: I will cave in after the Conservative Party conference https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-10-downing-street-statement-what-she-said-meant-translation-a8548726.html

UK is leaving the EU not vice-versa. This is going to end in her resignation. Edit: As I said 6 months ago the EU have offered 1. Norway 2. Canada. Boris is now saying he'd take Canada - you have a Devil's alliance. Edit Again: And I assume Boris would throw NI under a bus :)