JohnL

Victoria is quieter these days I've noticed - maybe more choice and soon to be more. Even the Montpellier is slightly less rammed. Also noticed a sort of staggering of last orders recently and managed a final pint in the four quarters after closing at both the above.

And work seems to be underway at the 'John the Unicorn' in Rye Lane.

Bellenden Belle Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > > There definitely is a small contingent, who > > believe you should never say 'no' to your child > or > > force them to share. I know this sounds like > I'm > > making it up, but google it, there are plenty > of > > articles. It's an extreme interpretation > > (misinterpretation) of positive parenting and > is > > more common than you think. > > Ah - off topic but yes I've witnessed firsthand > the 'not forcing to share' parenting style. > Like this advice, taken from a local Dulwich > playgroup: > > Child-led play is observing sometimes close and > sometimes from a distance - you do not need to > follow your child closely everywhere they go. > > Sharing > Sharing is an adult concept that children are not > ready to understand until much later. > What to expect - some young babies can be very > happy giving and taking with each other, at some > point the item will become an extension of their > self, and there will come a time when toddlers > will be upset over that ONE thing while they learn > to negotiate and handle their emotions around > ownership. If left to it without adult > interference, there is no problem - the problem > usually arises in the adult who feels compelled to > 'teach about sharing'. The child who is 'made to > share' is not sharing, she is complying. Somehow reminds me of junior school football where everyone just chases the ball - no positions, no tactics and certainly no passing :)

fazer71 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Depends where you go. > Personally I find them to have fewer berserker > kids. > They have a developed sense of social respect > control their children. > In the UK they is a current fashion to simply > allow children do do exactly as they please. > Is out laziness is it ignorance is it some form of > special form of self education? > Who knows? > > What we do know is out of control kids in pubs > makes customers go where they are no kids. > > Imaging if people with dogs allowed their dog to > howl constantly whist on the pub they'd be asked > to leave yet kids who do the same must be > tolerated.. > Weird Its the anglo-saxon way of doing things IMHO The legal system is adversarial, employer/union relations are macho, cycle debates are macho too .

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Re: the Dolls House in Peckham. > Apparently they have switched security firms due > to the feedback I popped in there last night - no security man The lady at the bar was very welcoming Not empty -actually OK for a Tuesday.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think people should get off of ZT's back. Children and dogs instantly can tell the person who doesn't like them - and they'll then never leave the person alone. That's possibly ZT.

rodneybewes Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Zebedee Tring Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Rodney Bewes, you are even wittier than your > > "Likely Lads" namesake. No, I didn't have my > leg > > amputated and my world didn't collapse. But > you've > > missed the point. My main complaint is that the > > mother didn't apologise for what had happened; > > when my kids were young 25 years ago I would > have > > been most apologetic if something similar had > > happened. If you think that the mother's > attitude > > was fine, then your moral values are different > > from mine. > > It sounds like the classic grumpy old man story, > shouting at 6 year old kids who've dared to come > near him. Then you swore at the mum of the 6 year > old kid who didn't touch you. I certainly hope our > moral values are different. That's the trouble > with our generations - we have no respect. I remember treating older people (who happened to be walking on the pavement) terribly as a child on a skateboard, roller skates, go cart) We got it if they complained to mum and dad though :) Children don't realise that you lose flexibility as you age. They think your're just like them, but older.

bring on autumn :)

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm with Otta. I like that Church is fighting her > corner. And some women ARE given a raw deal for > having opinions. Is that sexism? Misogyny? (that > word always seems to get the most guilty of men > riled up). At the end of the day she has an > opinion. We may agree with it, we may not, but > sneering because of her background or gender isn't > clever. Like I said before, I like her style. I hope it's not because she is a bit Futurama Welshie It's too easy to laugh at the intensity/excitability/passion sometimes but it is a trait sorry to say and it's so nice that she does seem to care :)

We had faulty alarms in our block of flats. Two fire engines used to deploy regularly and they used to have to check the building. Used to happen twice a day sometimes.

DuncanW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd always understood that smokers were a net > burden on the state. > > This is the first thing I found on the net so > don't consider it definitive proof, nonetheless > illustrating the point. > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/746369 > 0/Every-cigarette-smoked-costs-taxpayer-6.5p-think > -tank-warns.html > > *Research conducted by Policy Exchange found found > that while tax on tobacco raised ?10 billion a > year for the Treasury, the annual cost of > healthcare and other consequences of smoking > totalled ?13.74 billion* > > Back on the subject of pubs, they are businesses > that cater for what's wanted by the market. If > there were that many people who'd actually spend > much money in the that sort of place (no kids, > plenty of smoking and swearing), some > entrepreneurial soul(s) would open one up. But > clearly the reverse is true. Pubs like that > struggle to stay in business whereas the more > modern version with a decent quality food offer, > seems like a licence to print money when delivered > properly. Depends when you go really. I never see children in pubs - I'm in work in the day and pop out for a drink post watershed. When I go earlier I see couples eating sometimes (7PM ?) There is bad behaviour at that time I'm sorry to say :) and it's the Adults. In the West End loads of tourists try and bring children in and they are chucked out after 9.

That was the dogs seat (by the window).

Most pubs seem to be child free when I go (but I'm a nightime drinker). In the Alex in Clapham on Saturday - and most of the (Irish) drinkers seemed to have been on an all dayer - not a place for children. When people can't walk straight in a pub then children shouldn't be there. So Irish pubs don't do children I think.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nah, grab a pool ball and smack someone in the > head with it, it will hurt. Throwing just hands > them your weapon. And you don't have to take your sock off either.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sundial Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > She can you recommend a really good pub, that > has > > live music > > The Ivy House is an excellent pub which often has > free live music. > > So does the EDT. > > That's two, for a start. The Rye used to on Saturdays - they even had a little ballot box to keep it, and I voted YES. I think the NO vote won though because it stopped - some people don't like bands in pubs.

Membership gives you access upstairs I think http://www.thedeaddollsclub.com/Peckham/membership/ If you try to link to Peckham off the main site - you get the apple watch site :)

Just noted on Southwark News. Elephant and Castle pub now protected - no Foxtons then !!! Thomas a Becket also protected and sale postponed. http://www.southwarknews.co.uk/news/council-calls-time-on-plans-to-redevelop-historic-boozers/

James Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 37 runs every half hour at night. So a bit > annoying if you miss one I do 37 too - you have to rely on Citylink (and it's not always right) :)

So this is a "free of tie lease" from Wellington Pub Co (whatever that is) and seems The Herne Tavern (edited as below) is sold too. http://www.daviscofferlyons.co.uk/news/detail/east-dulwich-double-for-davis-coffer-lyons/1117#.VYl8xfm6dpg http://www.wellingtonpubcompany.co.uk/properties.asp

Doesn't really improve the look anyway.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I agree with Green Goose...and Mr Micawber > ("Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure > nineteen nineteen and six , result happiness. > Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure > twenty pounds ought and six, result misery." ) This countries been miserable for a long time then.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blah Blah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Economics isn't rocket science Jeremy. > > Really? Not sure I agree with this implication > that economics is simple and straightforward. > > And while I could potentially find myself mentally > nodding along with much of what Ms Church had to > say, there was some pretty stupid stuff in there > too (maybe the bits where she veered away from the > script?) Maybe Gavin's back for a visit and wrote a little :)

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Economics isn't rocket science Jeremy. It's just > politicians and bankers that like to pretend it > is. She must be right in a way - if you can get a big bang for your buck in the economy then why should the government not spend that buck. That's all she seems to be saying. It's just where are the big bangs :)

I have noticed that The George (Strand) got rid of their TV/Sport - and they are sister pub of the Bishop/Actress/Rye. Can't see that spreading though.

Someone in the pub had a banner - it wasn't Charlotte Church.