I think that to post a thread requesting people to be banned is in itself a sign of defeat. I also think that if the adminisrators were to pander to the requests/demands of some calling for others to be banned then the EDF, a forum that I and many others genuinely enjoy, would collapse from within. I'm not really that familiar with SteveT's posts but I find Tony's predictable. Fair enough, he likes to provoke but he is often quite civil in his replies to some very nasty attacks. May I also remind some that this is Britain, not the Soviet Union and free speech is something that this country holds in great regard.