DuncanW

No-one attacked a living human being though, and it's against both the law and 'our values' to do so. So not sure the imaginary hypothesis is the best mechanism to consider our thoughts on the real world events, which in my opinion are fairly straightforward. The action against these four was wrong, but I think the jury was the 'least best' juncture for it to be halted. The CPS should have ruled the case out as not being in the public interest, and if a jury had found them guilty the judge could and should have issued an unconditional discharge.

Hi Rockets, As I said, things can change, as they have in the past. And you are absolutely right - the ballot box is our chance to have our say. All I'm saying is exactly the same chat was on this forum a year ago, with certain people predicting that candidates opposed to LTNs would do well. That didn't happen. And I don't believe I am confusing or conflating anything. National, regional and local are all different, but will bleed into each other. I believe one example of that is the erosion of local support for the LibDems reslutant from national policy as outlined above. Labour are up in the polls, Tories down - LibDems have done well recently, but their candidates are likely to be pro-ltn anyway. So let's see what happens in May... candidate submissions are open until early April, but I don't see anyone mobilising as an Anti-LTN candidate so far, do you fancy giving it a shot?

Some contributors to this thread have short memories it would seem. There was some chat on here around this time last year about wouldn't it be great if there were a candidate in the then forthcoming mayoral election who opposed LTNs, and wouldn't they get a a lot of support. Shaun Bailey opposed LTNS, as did Farah London, Laurence Fox, David Kurten, Brian Rose and the beautifully named, Peter Gammons. You will be aware of the outcome of that election. Things could all change, of course - and despite all the guff written on here about a one-party state, etc LB Southwark was under Lib/Con control as recently as 2002-2010. Lib Dem support ebbed away coinciding with the Cameron/Clegg coalition, their support for austerity and the reversal of policy on student debt.

From LB Southwark's website Christmas tree recycling Please recycle your real Christmas tree once you're finished with it. Simply remove all decorations including any pot or stand and do one of the following: if you have a food and garden waste collection, real Christmas trees can be collected as part of your garden waste subscription collection - simply leave it by your bin on collection day, please note that trees over 6 foot long should be cut in half if you do not receive a food or garden waste collection, email [email protected] stating your name and full address to request a real Christmas collection - then leave your Christmas tree for collection outside your property at ground floor level in a place that does not cause an obstruction to pedestrians or vehicles, please note that trees over 6 foot long should be cut in half if you live on an estate or in a block of flats, leave your real Christmas tree by the bin areas or bulky waste collection areas, please make sure your tree is easily accessible and not behind a locked gate or in a bin store alternatively book a permit and bring you real Christmas trees and plastic Christmas trees to the Reuse and Recycling centre on Devon Street (off old Kent Road) There is no charge for disposal of Christmas trees by any of the above methods.

Sadly... (they are enforcing a regulation to reduce pollution in a city where levels in many areas exceed legal limits, increasing the risks of heart and lung disease, and damaging children's health) Whattheactualf*)!

/forum/read.php?30,1745327,2251043#msg-2251043 Can't speak regarding his availability, but we have used Nico previously, and he has been very good.

Comedy recommendations are super-subjective... but - I really enjoyed This Country. It's not the best thing ever but if you stick with it, it has a nice narrative arc. Also - Back to Life with Daisy Haggard, two series available on iPlayer. The first one is excellent, the second one merely quite good. If you don't mind subtitles, Call My Agent/Dix pour Cent is great and on Netflix. More of a comedy/drama/soap, very watchable.

Heartblock - you're right, there is common ground in that most of us want less pollution and congestion = less cars. There have been a couple of contributors who have pretty much said they don't care - let's consider those as outliers. I'm not sure about the viability of all your suggestions though: Banning fossil fuel cars - yes 100%, but it won't happen in the next ten years. Too big a job. One car per household - just seems really impractical to enforce, what about shared flats/houses - families with grown-up children etc..? Road charging is an option, but are you suggesting only on certain types of road - like EDG? How is that fair? All the main roads in Southwark are also residential, OKR, Camberwell(S), Walworth etc... - you could extend C-charge to the ULEZ I suppose, but good luck to any authority that tries to implement that By the way, I would be entirely happy with a 'new world' where all those things were reality - I'm just doubtful they can be implemented in the time-frame needed.

Sorry, I should have been clearer - I wasn't asking why is it some people see the bad cyclists, but not all the good ones? Your cinema analagy works well to rebutt that, but it wasn't my point. Moreso, why is it that some people see and complain about bad cyclists all the time, but much less so about bad motorists. Noted that you then go on to detail some poor car driving that you've seen. But it seems that there is a cohort that notice and complain about bad cycling much more readily - and this is in inverse proportion to the harm caused.

You're absolutely right Rockets, there are bad eggs who drive cars and ride bikes, I've seen some silly pedestrians too. Some people only see the bad cyclists though, and I can't for the life of me understand why that is... By the way, if you are worried about hitting a cyclist as they are not lit up, wait until you hear about these 1.5 tn lumps of metal people have started leaving on the side of the road everywhere :)

I think 'Sheeple' was ironic - as in anyone who is foolish enough to belive in the data being offered by the council and the experts they employ is Sheeple - Only 'we'* with our tin foil hats firmly in place can see the through the matrix etc etc... *you

Oh okay - I go OKR to Wells Way sometimes and it's a bit scary at night.

Burgess Park isn't even lit at night is it?

Thst'd relly awful - shocked, but sadly not surprised that the police wouldn't attend

I think they run a train service from East Dulwich to London Bridge nowadays....

Thanks Dan, That's really informative, and happy to accept your first-hand account.

Give up what car? She is an opposition back-bencher - does she get a car provided for her?

Rockets - what is meant by deposition in this context? You use it quite a lot and I'm genuinely not sure what you mean by it. I Googled it and could mainly find definitions of the legal term - I think that's something different, or to depose a monarch, and there is a geological meaning... Is it just the same as 'disagree with my point of view - and I'm uncomfortable with that'?

Is local CLP very left-wing? I'm not saying it isn't, genuinely interested to know. How would that be measured/judged?

You might be aware already that you can report dogs' mess to the council via their website. It's easy to do, takes no more than a couple of minutes, and they come within 48 hours to remove it. It's worth doing as it gets the mess cleared, and in my mind, the more resource the council have to allocate to clearing up other people's mess, the more likely they are to lean towards stronger enforcement.

And I would assume that the availability of parking spaces also increases as one heads south as the houses/frontages are bigger and generally less multi-occupancy dwellings... and as you get further out towards and into LB Bromley more dwellings with their own off-street parking.

Agree that parking is an issue. I'm not sure that 'every' household has two cars though, or anything like that; 46% of London households do not own a car at all. https://content.tfl.gov.uk/technical-note-12-how-many-cars-are-there-in-london.pdf The population of London has risen significantly c15% over the last decade or so which obviously links to more cars on the road, even though car-ownership per capita has reduced during the same period. So, how do we ameliorate the problem? I guess we could build some more multi-story car parks... or we could work out ways to reduce unnecessary car use and ownership, but that's not always popular..

"Does anyone live on Dunstans Road who can set up a Whatsapp?" That might be a good idea if you are otherwise looking to limit the conversation on an existing thread to a specific topic separate from the OP

I think the convention is that street names do not include apostrophes. I don't think it's a hard and fast rule in this area, although I believe some local/regional councils do actually forbid their use.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DKHB - not entirely - again, you might want to > read up on a few things. Southwark have previously > said they want to reduce car usage by 50% across > the borough. > That would be a brilliant thing to achieve, in my opinion - would you not agree? How we get to that point, plus the efficacy, costs and externalities, etc of the efforts to date are all up for discussion of course.