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Hmm, I'm not so sure, Otta. I think if you set targets and the person who has to meet those targets feels their livelihood is in danger if they fail, then those targets are failing people. And when the people they fail are victims of crime, leading to criminals going unpunished, then I'd say that means they're helping the criminals (whatever the crime).

And blonde hitch-hikers *Bob*?

For detection rates to triple on the back of it, it suggests considerably more than the odd incident, sensationalised by a high-profile case. Sadly, it's not particularly surprising, targets or no.

sometimes, just for a cheap sexual thrill, I punish myself by having cottage cheese on a rice cake for lunch. I'm like one of those monks out of that channel 4 programme or that dan brown abomination. but with pale-coloured food.

Yep, an editor, that's what he needs.

Is this where Loz hangs out? http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/to-the-nice-feminists/

davidh Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the event itself was just a small group of people > having a dance (and fun) for a very short while. > yet this is threatening to become a thread to > rival the dreaded m&s saga. please, everyone, this > one must end now. david, the dancing on the roundabout was part of a global day of action on a serious subject, so it's worthy of debate, no? (although might be Lounge-able some time soon) To give you a sense of scale (from Eve Ensler, founder): "One Billion Rising is happening big time, full scale, one Billion size. It is happening in 205 countries. It is happening where women will risk their lives to dance and where women have never danced before. It is happening in all 7,000 islands of the Philippines and in over 50 cities in Turkey. There are 100 risings in Italy, 135 risings in UK and thousands in North America. We are expecting 25 million to rise in Bangladesh, and it's hard to imagine the numbers in India but they will be massive." And so, to John, I would say, yes, it's likely that somewhere around the world, another roundabout may have been involved. It happened. You might need some counselling in the short term, but you'll find it gets easier in time.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When you leave things open to interpretation you > invariably get factions of individuals who believe > in different methodologies that tear associations > apart: typically in politics this means an > aggregated scale between 'direct action' and 'soft > power'. Good lord, Huguenot, you really have a corrodedly cynical view of the world. Have a look at the hundreds of videos of women and men coming together around the world to dance, and then show me the factions of individuals tearing V Day apart. If you could find any, that might lend your words some credence. Otherwise it's just same old, same old rotten nonsense, from the man who interpreted rejection of the status quo as women going on a sex strike. A bizarre leap, I think anyone would agree, that says rather more about you than it does about V Day. So, as I've already said, keeping with your spirit of reductio ad absurdum - I'm not going to have sex with Status Quo until there's an end to rape culture.

I refuse to have sex with Status Quo until I've seen an end to rape culture. http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.shakenstir.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/quo1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.shakenstir.co.uk/index.php/2010/02/?paged%3D4&h=194&w=259&sz=1&tbnid=7rADuUIiwrJsmM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=151&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dstatus%2Bquo%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=status+quo&usg=__Or5b86LkJ5KXI7iSb5Xyij3JmOw=&docid=Gylz0NBnfqzHMM&itg=1&sa=X&ei=DlshUd7sJOaG4gSbkIGADw&ved=0CMABEPwdMAs

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Okay, so it's been left deliberately vague - a > dangerous recipe for factionalism perhaps? Yes, the UN and all those other crazy man-hating factionalists. They're cooking up a witches' brew and no mistake. This is a specious argument, and again, I suspect you're playing devil's advocate. However... One billion rising is a campaign from V Day, an organisation that describes itself as "a global movement to end violence against women and girls". Simple, straightforward, readily understood and nothing to argue with here.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Safe enough for large furry creatures to live > under wooden bridges Furry???

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The peculiar book/manifesto they unravel through > the video is typically a weapon of extremist > organizations - from Mein Kampf, through the > Little Red Book to the NRA's hate list. I call Godwin's - can I have my lolly?

I suspect, though I may be wrong in this, that the wording is such that it can mean what it needs to to different people. In much the same way that a song or a piece of art is open to interpretation by its audience. Eve Ensler is a formidable and brilliant woman - I doubt beyond measure that she lacks the wit to state her point clearly. That is why I have made the assumption I have. For me, "A call to men and women to refuse to participate in the status quo until rape and rape culture ends" ties into "A refusal to accept violence against women and girls as a given". To me personally, the status quo is many things - it's not, contrary to your deliberate devil's advocacy Huguenot, a sex strike. If you've read the Vagina Monolgogues, you'll know that Eve Ensler, and the women involved in the writing, are not anti-sex. I see it more as a refusal to accept that things considered the norm must inevitably remain the norm. As a for instance: page 3, a full-page Reeva Steenkamp in a bikini beside the story of her brutal murder, soft-porn in lads mags, violent images of women as victims used in high fashion shoots, the fact that I have breasts interpreted as an invitation to grope, the notion that only stranger rape is "real" rape, facebook pages dedicated to rape (and described as humour to evade the censors). That's what it means to me. You can call it a cop out if you like, but the website doesn't call it a manifesto. I consider random acts of dancing in the street a refusal to act according to the status quo (and I think edhistory's response on this thread backs me up). I don't think buddug has suggested brandnewguy is somehow pro-rape. And neither did she (I think she's a she) call you a troll, Huguenot - there was a suggestion that you were behaving like one, which isn't exactly the same thing.

Crikey John, what are you planning to report them for? You're quite the little ray of sunshine? I only wish I'd been there so I could give you my name and address and invite you to pass it on to the authorities. It's a fantastic cause, they danced, they had fun, people clearly enjoyed it (and I don't mean only those taking part). Were you personally there to nearly-crash because of it? Has anyone personally told you that they nearly crashed because of it? And finally, have you considered a move to Elmore City? I think you'd like it.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think "wife of David David Beckham" is a more > accurate description than "singer" or "business > woman". > > Her only real talent seems to be cashing in on her > fame. She was a successful Spice Girl before she was Mrs David Beckham. She now has two successful fashion labels and her fashion collections have won critical acclaim (in spite of massive cynicism when she announced her intention to become a designer). The BBC didn't describe her as a singer, and in fairness to her, neither does she. So I'd suggest, Mick and Jeremy, your sneering seems is born of wilful ignorance. I know fashion's not really your bag, but sheesh, this kind of snobbery really gets on my tits.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That IS rather the impression people give > > Which might be what aggravates people more than > the makeup itself But why should I care? I really don't understand what's to care about. I'm not encroaching on other people's space with my legs spread wide to accommodate my enormoballs, or sticking my newspaper in their face. It makes less noise than tinny headphones or rustley carrier bags or mobile phone conversations. It doesn't smell, unlike foodstuffs. Why should people adopt an apologetic demeanour for this activity and not for any other? It's utterly nonsensical that people should care that you don't approve. I hate the Metro - it's rubbish. But I don't judge people for not asking my permission to read it in my presence.

It's the long term accumulation though, innit. Years from now, they'll be dropping like flies, like flies I tell you, mark my words.

My name's fuck, and I put on make up on the train. And I don't care.

Simnel cake's revolting, innit?

F*CK HOT CROSS BUNS!

Hey boshi, that's fantastic. I'm not in ED right now, or I would have loved to join. Dagnammit. Any photos / footage?

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Was it for V Day? http://onebillionrising.org/