RosieH

It does, but I've tried both POP and IMAP servers and just keep getting the login failed message. Am probably going to have to phone their very expensive helpline.

katie, how'd you keep all that stuff inside them? I use mine lined up on the windowsill with nightlights in, interwoven with christmas baubles and garlands, for very evocative Christmas decorations. But am keen to know what else I could do - frugal Christmas this year.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's dead already. Don't bother. Twitter, > Facebook, Linkedin, Pinterest, Tumblr. All are > more alive than Google+ Pinterest for women Tumblr for men Not exclusively, but depending who you're aiming at, good to know. A handy resource: http://mashable.com/

Had issues with this before and am hoping the goodly geekfolk on here might be able to help. I'm trying to add an account to Mail on my mac, going about it in exactly the same way as I always have, but keep getting a message saying login failed, even though the pop server and password are what the site's telling me. Anyone a genius and know what I might be doing wrong?

Roboctopus http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/10/octopus-robot.html?cmpid=NLC%7CNSNS%7C2012-0511-GLOBAL%7Coctopus

Do you make cakes for Peace?

STOP THIS CUPCAKE MADNESS Quite aside from the total infantilisation of deliciousness (ladies, get your cupcake jewellery here, cupcake charm bracelets, necklaces, pyjamas; all the cupcake fun but none of the pesky calories with our fabulous knitted cupcakes - seriously, what the fuck?) THEY TASTE SHIT. I hate cupcakes. I hate them. I do. I want to smash them to a million crumbs in their bland dry massive sponginess, topped with sickly day-glo icing, (not to mention glitter), the ratio of which is completely out of kilter with the enormocake-of-all-shitness. Fucking cupcakes. I like a victoria sponge.

1st November - hey cheeeldren, I have sweeetiez. It's not racist, it's Day of the Dead. Ok.

New Girl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, you've just screwed up 'Lady and the Tramp' > for me. I'll now start calling it 'Hussy and the > Tramp' or 'Female and the Tramp'. That better? > > I think being called a lady is a compliment. > Certainly better than being called every other > bleeding 'woman' related word in the English > language. I think the term 'Lady' is flattering. > It's of times of when courting was a whirlwind > experience of when Ladies and Gentleman would meet > and court and women were held of high regard and > worth knowing? Surely it's the English culture? > And now times are bad (due stabbing, murders, > sexual abuse, media discrimination, women still > fighting for top jobs) we should be embracing our > stance as a woman and a lady and fight for what we > can with those terms. I don't mind either terms > but don't lambast one without realising its real > worth. And for the record I'm 25, at the top of my > career and not fully English, therefore cannot be > tarnished with being an 'Old English idealist who > remembers a better age'. I'm neither. But you have > just ruined Lady and the Tramp for me :( I think KMiddy's really pretty too. I have all her OK covers framed above my bed and I'm hoping to get my copy of her sister's cookbook signed. But your reductio ad absurdum is moronic. And kind of makes the case for the madonna / whore dichotomy - I'm either a refined and delicate lady or I'm a slut? Nice work sister.

Oh, and don't forget Harriet Harperson...

Otta, I genuinely believe the language we use to describe a thing has an impact on the way we perceive that thing. I studied it in the abstract at university, and felt it to be true then. And having come up against a glass ceiling myself, and been acutely aware of the language my male boss used to describe me and other female employees, I could see first hand that the two things were inextricably linked. And in this case, to my detriment. That's why it's a battle I think is worth fighting - it's part of a bigger battle that I think is worth winning.

It's a pickle. Listen to Baccara, it'll make everything alright.

Nah dufus, do some reading man before you get all smug and sarky. If you read my post further up, I said I have no problem with it as a form of address, in the same context that you'd use gentlemen. Thus addressing a group of women, "good morning women" sounds odd, in the same way that addressing a group of men as "good morning men" (unless you're on army manoeuvres) sounds odd. In this situation, "ladies" and "gentlemen" seem apposite. Equivalency.

For me, it's the intelligent folk thinking it's not worth bothering about that's irritating. I'm surprised at both Otta and Pibe thinking such. If instead, as women, we should bother ourselves with the bigger questions, for instance, the glass ceiling, then I would ask what creates the glass ceiling? The idea that women are less capable, less ruthless in the boardroom, are more refined and gentle than big, burly men? More "ladylike"? More in need of a special pink pen? It's a pervasive thing. No individual (or very, very few) means offence in using the term. It's the term itself that's the issue. As long as there is equivalency with the word "man", rather than "gentleman" (which comes with its own expectations of behaviour), it perpetuates the notion that women are to be quiet and seemly. Words have power and I'm surprised to see people deny it.

I'd just like to say sorry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-rlXGvMiNA *Ladies, not getting theirs since 1977 (BC)

Lady pens http://www.upworthy.com/boom-roasted-heres-why-you-dont-ask-a-feminist-to-hawk-your-sexist-product?g=2&c=ufb1

Otta, I'm not foaming at the mouth about this, but the point is that sexism is embedded in our culture. I'd really rather it wasn't. I'm not having a massive go at the people who use words that they've grown up with without thinking they might be offensive. But once those on the receiving end tell them that they are offensive / grating / whatever, it pisses me off if those same people tell me women (or whoever) are wrong to think it and they're going to carry on as usual because it's just all in our heads. We don't still use "coloured" or "half-caste". My nan never said those words to insult anyone, but she too refused to accept that they could be offensive. The rest of us moved on.

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RosieH Wrote: > > > "Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility, > > refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole > set > > of messages that piss women off because men > aren't > > subjected to the same set of expectations. > > 'Loaded term' my elbo. Only in your head. Strange > creatures as *Bob* said. Only in my head? And Asset's? And Katienumbers'? And every other woman who dislikes it. You're right, you're right, of course you are. Silly old me, to try to tell a man what it is to be a woman, when of course he knows best. (of course, the OED definition was probably written by a silly little woman who didn't know what's what either). You know how a St George's Cross is sometimes seen as a sign of racism? That's all in my head too of course! What a dolt I've been. What a clever chap you are, with what a sound grounding in semiotics. I'm off to burn my Lacan in the hearth to make a fire for my husband's tea. But I'll probably have to get him to strike the matches.

StraferJack Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sometimes the *bob* / Ted Max venn diagram is > almost a single circle The overlap's less a single circle, more a great big massive love heart.

It's not rocket science, so I don't know why people are over-complicating and refusing to understand, unless they're genuinely imbeciles. Ladies and gentlemen is fine - it's a form of address. Otta, equally, you wouldn't say "hello men" to a group of men - it sounds ridiculous. But as a description it's asinine. Would you say, "there's a gentleman in my department who..."? No, you'd say, "there's a man in my department". But people persist in saying "lady" in the same circumstances. Or 'lady doctor' and its ilk. "Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility, refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole set of messages that piss women off because men aren't subjected to the same set of expectations. If in doubt, where you'd use "man" for the male equivalent, use "woman". Where you'd use "gentleman", use "lady".

Thank you

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RosieH Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Hang on, that's what I said! And first! > > > > @#$%& > > > I know. I was agreeing with you! Yeah, but then people agreed with you and no one agreed with me and I'm sulking.

To my mind, it's about the signifier and the signified. The word "lady" has connotations that "woman" simply does not. In fact, it has a definition in the OED as such - genteel or refined woman. I don't like it because of the implications / expectations of an acceptable mode of behaviour it conveys. That said, where it's the female equivalent of gentleman, I have no problem. Ladies and gentlemen is fine. 'Cup of tea for my lady' at the hairdressers, no problem.

Hang on, that's what I said! And first! fuckers

I do think the issue with toff, or any kind of reverse snobbery, is slightly different from calling someone a pleb. It reminds me very much of the scene in Emma, when Knightley scolds Emma for taking the piss out of someone much, much worse off than herself, saying she warrants compassion, not contempt. And while I think snobbery works both ways, and is not to be condoned, I think it reflects on those in positions of privilege very badly indeed that they use their elevated position to ridicule and belittle those whom fortune has favoured rather less. Without a doubt, reverse snobbery often encompasses a degree of envy, but I'd imagine there's quite an element of resentment at being looked down on at play too.