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Ah yes Jeremy, Osaka Ramones - most excellent work. Just for you, here's the title track from their new album, Pop Tune

gigi, that's freaking genius and has made me very happy indeed. So, thank you.

I used to do Peckham Rye to Kentish Town every work day for about six months. As Medley says, reasonably reliable, but often about 5 minutes or so late. That was a pain because the trains weren't frequent enough for me to want to get the earlier train, but meant I was regularly a few minutes late for work (I really should have got the earlier train!) I struggled more with seats getting on at Peckham. Especially when I was making the journey on crutches for a month and not one person offered me a seat in that time.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- It's just a place for > sloganeering.....something which IMO the left is > far more prone too than the non-left* why I think > twitter is so popular with my normal band of > stereotypes :) Nazi!

I'm excited to go and see Shonen Knife tonight. As the excellent Simon Price says, "There are two types of people: those who enjoy thrashy Japanese girl-punk, and those who have something wrong with them." Come along!

Nice translation. And nicely buried by the powers that be alongside the Gary McKinnon story. Charles is a one-man case for republicanism.

I get mine from out of town, but you could try here: https://www.facebook.com/urbanforagerpeckhampickler?fref=ts

Heh, I'm done now. Whoever wants to can wah-chikk-wooaa away to their heart's content. I just wanted to make it TRIPLY clear I wasn't calling H a paedophile.

Claridges is gorgeous and all lovely art deco. Then if your mum likes fashion, there's the pret-a-portea at the Berkeley - kitsch and lovely http://www.the-berkeley.co.uk/fashion-afternoon-tea/ edited as I can't spell

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the end I was right, although I failed to > predict the ridiculous ball of fury that would > culminate in me being compared with a paedophile > for pointing out the impact that physical changes > have on women's perceptions of their own maturity, > and hence their choice of boyfriends. Ok Huguenot, so just to clarify, I have apologised if it seemed I was suggesting you were a paedophile. Twice. What I actually meant is that your gleeful reference to pubescent girls' menstruation made you sound to me like something I don't think you are. It was weird and creepy, so I was suggesting you don't do it. As Otta suggested, it sounded different in my head. I'd actually written a much longer reply, and then thought I couldn't be bothered with your usual bullshit. So I deleted most of it, and in so doing, clearly, and without realising, lost the sense of what I had written. And for the record, I think there are lots of reasons why a middle aged man would concern himself with the periods of girls who are not yet teenagers. Here are a few, tell me if you think I'm getting warm: 1) He's a gynaecologist 2) He's an anthropologist writing about puberty and its rituals around the world 3) He's a marketeer, pitching for "first-time" femcare 4) He's a father of a young girl going through puberty and wants to be supportive and understanding 5) He has such a hard-on for his women's-issues-are-bullshit agenda that he considers even twelve year old girls fair game Alan, as for why girls are considered more mature, if you look at the NHS website, it states that girls hit puberty slightly earlier and reach full sexual maturity earlier. http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Puberty/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't think she intended to compare him to JS, > it just didn't read as she probably heard it in > her head. > > That happens to me sometimes anyway. Yes, that. I apologise unreservedly to Huguenot for appearing to liken him to a paedophile. That wasn't what I meant at all, and the thought would never occur to me. Clearly I expressed myself badly.

Thanks Chippy - I actually avoided that one because of some of the more extreme pictures - thought it might incense a certain element on here. But what the heck...

Voyageur Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blimey - what a load of patronising claptrap. You > seem to be strangely fascinated by H... Voyageur, you don't know what you're talking about. Huguenot name checked me on this thread - I had posted, without any reference to him whatsoever - and it's not the first time. I trust he will desist in the future - he and I have a long history of going back and forth on any subject pertaining to (or that he can make pertain to) women's issues. I find his opinions of women odious and I have nothing more to say on the subject.

That's not what I said, and if that's how it sounds, then I apologise. I don't remotely think that you're a paedophile, I just think that you really don't like women at all. Whatever the topic, you never let an opportunity pass to belittle and ridicule, trying to bait me in the process - a 40 year old man taking to the internet to make 12 year old girls the target of his mockery is pathetic. Whichever woman / women wronged you to make you this way, it sounds like therapy could help.

Dear god Huguenot, your peculiar interest in tweenage menses makes you sound like a friend of Saville. And hiding behind Germaine Greer's skirts does you no credit at all.

Lulastic, I think it's a great idea. You will, inevitably, be met with cynicism and unwarranted snide remarks on here, but go for it. There are so many things to protest these days (always have been, but more than ever with a coalition hell-bent on widening the gap between rich and poor). Getting together seems a good way to focus energies and learn from each other. I was going to send you a little ditty of support in the shape of The Housemartins' Get Up Off Our Knees, but it seems to have been wiped from the face of the internet. Doubtless part of a Cameron / Youtube conspiracy to keep us on our knees! So here's Flag Day instead:

Oh and sandwiches, there probably is a legal definition, but the main reason places like Pret want to make themselves stand out is that most sandwiches are a few days old by the time you eat them, if bought pre-packed. So for man's greatest luncheon, I'm not sure the wording is superfluous.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tautology is quite annoying. And what of pleonasm, good sir? And Pibe, I've toured the Kettle Chips factory - they are a little more more hand cooked than that.

Yep, exactly. Works like a charm.

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I had older boyfriends from about the age of 15 til when I left school, but not excessively so: 2, 3 and 4 years difference if memory serves. But the older men thing did happen - not loads, but it happened. We started clubbing at 15, and going to the Hacienda, there were quite often 'name' blokes in there who would go home with young girls (sometimes famous, sometimes just your local friendly kingpin dealer). In fairness to them, it's reasonable that they would think the girls were 18, but still you'd be talking about blokes who were 30-40. A friend of mine was seeing a superstar DJ when she was 15 - I'd hesitate to call her his girlfriend, because she clearly wasn't, it was quite obviously just sex and then a taxi home whenever he was in the mood. What I find reassuring is that we were all genuinely appalled and tried repeatedly and unsuccessfully to talk her out of it. Similarly a girl who joined our school in sixth form having had to leave her previous school because she was having an affair with a teacher. Imagine our surprise when she up and married him at 18. So yeah, it does happen, but in my limited experience not that often. I should caveat that I went to posh girls' school. I'm not suggesting for a second that it's a class thing, but I know that dodgy blokes hanging round the school gates simply couldn't have happened - we were well policed. So I can't say with certainty that it doesn't happen. But where Grace Dent is right is that it's important to make it easier for girls to be listened to and believed. For every schoolfriend who marries her teacher, there are probably many many girls like ClareC's school friend who needed help and didn't get it.

Super! Where might one hear such tunes in their natural habitat?

Sorry silverfox, did you mean "Associated Press"? I think that you did.