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Brexit is all about U.K. taking control of its borders. It?s you who is obsessed with borders. The eu isn?t imposing a border. Brexit and leaving single market and customs union require jt. Like breathing requires oxygen. And the U.K. signed and voted for the border in the Irish Sea It?s literally what happened.

We don?t dismiss the notion. We have just tried to point out the realities. Because The U.K. comprises a land border with the eu. It?s something people like you never have a moments thought to. We?ve been asking for answers for ages. You don?t have any. So those are the choices

Another cracker there

Doesn?t an oven (well, many of them) have a requirement for a specific type of socket behind the oven. It?s not just a case of a 13amp plug and fuse in many cases. It?s why I?ve been putting my replacement on the long finger for years https://chefspick.co.uk/cooker-13-amp-plug-socket/

This is very good as welL https://flipchartfairytales.wordpress.com/2020/09/14/britains-reputation-trashed-for-the-sake-of-a-three-word-slogan/

FoT has been consistently excellent throughout Brexit - cheers for that Alan I do wish more British people would read more media from other countries. Ireland for example consumes all of the media UK does as well as it's own - but very few Brits bother checking anything out from Ireland.

he'll be long gone by summer

"keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There?s talk of possible life on Venus. If > confirmed God help ?em. There?ll be an E.U. > delegation trying to charge them billions a year > and telling them what do." a better analogy would be Venus asking Earth if they could join their trading group and after years of memberhip, deciding they didn't need Earth, but wanted all the benefits anyway and then blaming Earth for not being able to access, I dunno, seawater or something

If Johnson wants a new mandate from the one he sold the country 9 months ago he will have to face the electorate again Good luck with that

Everyone sane: ?this is what this means. This is what it always meant. This what we have said all along? Johnson (or whoever replaces him).: ?I can?t say that. I promised the british people blah blah? Everyone sane: ?never make promises you can?t keep. You got away with it as long as you only had to deal with English people. Everyone else can see thru right thru you. It?s not our fault your success has been built on lies and gullible marks like uncleglen is it. Now be a grown up. You have several options still open to you to safeguard trade and goodwill. Take one of them?

Thinking about glen?s comments again I do wonder what it takes to believe the essential Brexit promises of ?we can have all of the good stuff, on our own terms? without ever wondering why 27 other countries wouldn?t say anything other than ?you do what you like love, here are the rules we all abide by? And to complain when 27 countries unite and explain just that. For 4 years Repeating the same truths over and over And all Brexiters do is say ?we won!!!!!! Project fear!!!? And when reality looms on the horizon they have the sheer brass neck to say it?s the other lot being belligerent. And to abuse their fellow countrymen who warned them of these consequences

isn't it Leavers who have no attention span? which is why the deal they stood for on election, expelled tory mps who wouldn't back is the same one they are now saying is bogus? If they had an attention span they would have known that about the deal before the pushed it?

what "Boris promised the British People. " is entirely up to Boris and wether the birtish people believed him He has no ability to deliver it Uk has LEFT the EU precisely because it wante dto be sovereign - it just doesn't like what that means UK has tried to SCAM a new treaty and EU countries are wise to it. The voters of those EU countries and the ELECTED governments of those countries are square behind Barnier. They all understand teh consequences far better than UK does Grow up and own the mess you created

I know it sounds melodramatic. But as I?ve already mentioned Yugoslavia on this thread there is precedent for complete collapse of European countries. I think it?s unlikely. But not unthinkable. gove has a visceral dislike of GFA and would be happy to see terrorist grouped kick off around the border. Throw in escalating U.K. eu tensions and the need to get goods between Ireland and eu (historically using U.K. as a land bridge) and I believe the ingredients are there

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Yep agreed ja and blah I say Johnson will be gone sooner for more than health reasons tho. January is coming. His party will do for him then If gove gets in expect full on rogue state behaviour over Ireland. Possibly even war Sunak gets a good press but not sure why. Preferable to gove mind

Johnson won?t last anywhere near a year

I think by now we can call things as they are. U.K. govt is staffed by liars and worse. We?ve all worked with people like Frost. That sort of wilful misrepresentation and belligerence always ends badly In short. This is as bad or worse than it seems in public. Hoping for the rescuers to arrive is futile. Ditch Johnson Ditch this govt When that happens, we will start to move forward

And yet, we are meant to believe that any of these people (Cameron, May, Johnson, Gove next?) are remotely capable of handling a small country in an increasingly hostile global environment on important matters? They are all small people. Small minded, incapable of looking beyond their own nose To lose one PM in 4 years is careless. To lose 3 (yes Johnson will be gone soon) shows you how crazy this situation is. The circle can?t be squared and this country will continue to decline at pace until people cop on and realise the country can?t leave eu and cherry pick the bits they like. The best case scenario at the moment is a shitty deal, claimed in the short term as a victory only to lead to years and years of grumbling as people realise how worse off they are and how little influence they now have This pattern of claiming victory only to see it disintegrate within months is well established. People need to start seeing that for what it is. A perpetual diet of snake oil

Mistakes happened before the referendum. It was birthed as a sop to the same lunatic wing of the tory party (and the usual newspaper suspects) and wasn?t given any definition, any legal status, usual ?gentleman?s word? promise on a leaflet from Cameron There was no threshold set for such a major constitutional change and the undefined Brexit meant it could be all things to all people It wasn?t fit for purpose. So if we want to speak of mistakes that is where I would focus But it?s all too late now - we did leave at the start of the year after all But the whole thing is a farce from top to bottom English govt ineptitude then and now. It?s one reason why I want eu membership Of course we can point to eu structural faults - but compared to how this country behaves? Nah

Keano pretends to be enjoying this But in the dark tonight. When he can?t sleep He knows. He knows

Be fair j.a It?s in the job description. No leaver has managed (in 4 years) to answer any question in any meaningful way so why would keano be different

?Where were we? You were avoiding answering any questions as per Let?s stick with the one. Why are English people, including leavers, applying for Irish passports in numbers ?

Let?s look at this piece of junk piece from some Brexit organisation Only 8000 dead!!! Not bad - except that wasn?t the eventual total was it te? It was a LOT MORE than that in this country And that was with a significant lock down. Had we not locked down how many people do you think the 50-60k total would have been? Neither of us are experts. But you approach this with some emotional guff and predisposition to conspiracy. I listen to experts not just in this country but around the world. They don?t know everything about this new disease either. But locking down has saved huge numbers of lives. Lives that will help rebuild the economy. https://facts4eu.org/news/2020_apr_covid_and_flu

So not just your government But most governments across the world. Communist. Capitalist. Liberal. They have all en-masse confected fears about this virus ? Every single one of them have idiots saying ?it?s just the flu? and they are all wilfully just ignoring such wise advice. Tell me - why would that happen? Why? Don?t distract. We all care about loved ones dying alone etc Just answer the question. Why are governments of every hue treating this as not just like the flu