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Undeliverable only because you and your cohort don't want it. It's deliverable, will take some work but hey we licence mopeds, motor cycles and cars so why can't we do bikes ?

Love the fact that the pro cycle lobby are attempting to poo poo the idea of licencing, insurance, and compulsory testing for cyclists. If car drivers did the same they (cyclists) would soon be arguing it is needed. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say, and if we all want fair use and equal safety on the road then bring it on I say. But yet again the usual suspects disagree as it appears cyclists are "special"

This article in the Telegraph will get Malumbu and others ranting about "what about car drivers" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/17/lets-get-tough-on-the-scourge-of-rogue-cyclists/ It's titled "Let's get tough on the scourge of rogue cyclists" What Simon Heffer is saying is a good discussion point.

And that's your choice, but it's not everyone's choice. Some people don't like or can't do what you do.

You can But you can't put PayPal in a card like you can with a cheque or postal order 🙄

This is an interesting analysis of why the economy just about grew by 0.1% over the past 3 months BBC News - UK economy barely grew between July and September - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwygw982e3xo It was potentially a by effect of the doom mongering talk before the budget.

You sound like the person in the radio advert for Octopus energy. You're been brilliant you've all been brilliant

But @malumbu As you are so fond of doing "what about the car drivers" ? 😅 We cant have a thread about cycling without mentioning cars (your rules 😉)

Oh @malumbu so many incorrect assumptions in your last post Without knowing me you make assumptions about my financial experience, politics and yet again you cry "what about the motorists" Where will all that tax you say could be spent on hospitals and schools come from if everyone cycled?

Is it? Let's see Farming is a tough gig with increasingly lower returns, if farms have to sell off land to pay inheritance tax it will reduce their ability to survive. Which in real terms could mean more farm land lost and more reliance on imported food which sees money flowing out, not in to the country. But I guess as long as you get cheap food that doesn't concern you 😉 Lol "what about the cars" again Mal... like a broken record.... Governments know that squeezing car drivers for more fuel duty will drive down income from taxes as people switch to electric, which would leave them with a black hole in income. Guess the fuel duty is a fine balancing act tiĺl enough electric cars have been sold to raise tax revenue from their use.

In 2022, Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng delivered what was seen as a disastrous budget by the markets and it is claimed they crashed the economy. Rachel Reeves appears to be going after farmers, Pensioners, pension pots and increasing NI for employers, which whilst not taxing "working people" will see prices going up to cover the costs for already squeezed businesses, all this whilst changing how the government fiscal rules work. The change of administration in the States may impact our exports to them (potential tarrifs) which also may see growth stall slightly. Will her gamble work or will we as individuals and a nation see stagnation in growth as businesses reduce investment whilst prices go up. With the farmers protest planned on Tuesday 19th, it is starting to feel like the bad old days of the winter of discontent (1978/79) again. Whilst investment is needed to help the country grow, are we in danger of not supporting the businesses and people who normally are responsible for growth? Discuss.

They probably have to, just to pay the higher NI bills 🤔

Bob, i would recommend Kopi Luwak as that possibly matches your digestive requirements

First our sorting office, next our post office and all this on top of eye watering increases in stamp prices. Madness

Maybe show how great it is with a real photo and not an artists impression 😉

But Rockets, what about the cyclists? I mean isn't that what this thread is about 😀

@malumbu you're always quick to turn on drivers and never seem to acknowledge cyclists are also liable to break the rules and cycle badly. Whilst the argument that a car or hgv will cause more damage is valid, surly even you must agree that we should all use the roads safely and sensibly? Demonising motorists without also condemning poor cycling is a very one sided argument and one that is getting weary. Cyclists aren't angels until they are!!

Thanks @Earl Aelfheah a goodd start to a discussion and like you 109% agree that people shouldn't break road rules. Interesting point about resentment as well and that may well play into the point I was raising.

On iPlayer, old, un pc but still makes me laugh with great bands and mindless slapstick violence is "the young ones" Lookout, Cliff !

The assumption was "Cyclists are not often prosecuted and have limited regulations applied to them because" not the other part or are you deliberately twisting and putting words in others mouths again Earl ? 🤔

Discussion point: Cyclists are not often prosecuted and have limited regulations applied to them because "they pose a significantly lower threat to others than say a car or HGV." Assuming that's true, the discussion point is "does seeing cyclist getting more 'lienient' treatment does this encourage other road users to ignore the rules?" it hinges on the broken window theory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory) that seeing anti social behaviour encourages it.

Question for those arguing about the use of a word Why is RTA* the used by the emergency services ? Problem is, despite wanting it to be "crash" or similar, the use of "accident" has perpetrated the English language. * Road Traffic Accident

Interesting to see this article which shows a marked England wide drop in cycling usage. Whilst in London I suspect the numbers are still relatively high, there does appear to be a problem with the dream. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2024/11/06/how-the-great-cycling-boom-collapsed-lockdown/

At least Mal you are finally recognising that cyclists break the law, just like other road users.

Just had this pop up https://www.itv.com/news/london/2024-11-06/study-reveals-scale-of-cyclists-and-e-scooter-riders-ignoring-law-in-london Looks at data from 80 junctions in London to see how cyclists behaved, but don't worry as it also found how drivers behaved too Makes an intersting point about the "urban myth" that cyclists jump red lights (apparently, according to this data they do)