Spartacus

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It's more about where the 12 goes to and from now in central London. As someone mentioned, late at night its not convenient to change at the elephant and some users feel safer getting a single bus all the way. But think on, what will happen when normal working patterns resume in a short time, not enough buses is my opinion...

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I just saw a no.12 going South down Lordship > Lane. > Is it re-routed as part of the proposed changes ? > (apols if I've missed something) Either the drivers been to Megan's on route or the bus is in the way to the start point at the library 🤔

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ?another layer of mostly impotent roles? > > A bit like the royal family, no ? > Should there be bunting for the mayorship, too ?! > 🤣 Have you never seen the Lord Mayors parade Kid ?

I see the Mayor is whining about the Met Police once again BBC News - Metropolitan Police has real problems, Sadiq Khan says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61696549 Interestingly (or not) he doesn't want to take responsibility for it, despite being the current occupant of the Mayor?s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) and is required by law to produce a plan that explains how the police, community safety partners and other criminal justice agencies will work together to reduce crime. The Police and Crime Plan reflects the Mayor?s manifesto and priorities for making London a safer city for all Londoners and the Mayor?s Office for Policing and Crime (MOPAC) is the strategic oversight body tasked with devising the Police and Crime Plan and ensuring that it is delivered over four years. Much like anything else he's responsible for, TfL is a prime example, he always seems to find someone else to blame... In my opinion, he needs to stand up, take responsibility and deliver something rather then blaming everyone else.

Sorry, you aren't 11... my mistake you act older then you are... Good luck going to big boys school in September.

Don't worry CauliflowerEar, half term is almost over and you can immerse yourself back in studying for your 11 plus again.

Poor Dulwich Fox Gone but his posts will be with us to the end of the forum RIP Foxy

New wave Did it leave a bitter taste in your mouth ?

So Brian and Co are you implying that Khan is completely blame free? Or that some blame can be apportioned to him and some elsewhere ? As was said, the sooner TfL isn't used as a political football, the better for users 🙄

Thanks James, for putting it into context. Out of curiosity, if you were still a Councillor how would you interact with TfL over this situation ?

Say what you mean CPR ... But you're making a valid point, Khan has been in charge for 6 years so has to take a proportion of the blame. If he hadn't licenced so many uber drivers (other brands are available) then maybe bus use wouldn't have declined as much. If he had applied a fairer price structure then buses may not have run at a loss. He had 4 years pre pandemic to restructure but all he did was cancel the new route masters because they were associated with the previous mayor. But I guess, people voted for him again and this is how he's repayed us all...

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And the big white fivers Showing your age there grandad

I love the tweet from Councillor Williams "To be clear this is a choice being forced through by the Conservative Party. They could use the ?500m raised every year from Londoners paying Vehicle Excise Duty to pay for London's roads as happens in the rest of the country rather than forcing bus & tube passengers to fund them" as Southwark Council and TfL seem to have an agenda of reducing private car ownership which would obviously erode this projected ?500 million VED income. He's almost shooting himself in the foot there. But let's compare TfL to a private company or a Premier league football team, where if they were in this much "trouble" the blame would be levied at the head and not the shareholders so in my mind, regardless of outside support that's been supplied, the Mayor needs to accept his share of the blame for what's happened during his watch and accept the consequences rather then punishing the users.

CPR Dave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cutting buses won't force people to cycle. They'll > just stop going in to Central London and work from > home instead. It's a shame for a lot of people who > rely on physical work in town like waiters and > cleaners etc, but if there is no transport there > will be no business in central London. > > the whole city will decline from the middle > outwards, just like Detroit did. And the poorest > will be hit hardest by that sadly. I've hit the virtual like button on this post as it makes so much sense

Nigello Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The 453 goes to Oxford Circus and up Regent St > north. Another route, if you are near the northern > end of Barry, is the 63 or 363 to Elephant then a > change to 453. > > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Consultation here > > https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview > > > > There is proposal to reroute the 148 to cover > the > > Camberwell Green, Peckham, Rye Lane, Barry Road > > sections but it does remove the ability to get > to > > Oxford Circus as a change would be needed at > > Parliament Square. That's the point Nigelo, you have to change rather than a direct bus to Oxford Circus We all know how busy the elephant interchsnge can be so it just makes it more awkward for a lot of people.

Waseley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've used the buses for decades and often prefer > them to faster public transport. Most only use > them for short hops as opposed tone eg Vauxhall > Bridge Road in 185. No doubt that is included in > the analysis and consultation. Just at Peckham > Rye in Overground and getting off at Denmark Hill > as service may be marginally better. Ps went on a > Boris Bus yesterday, far more vibrations than the > average hybrid and doesn't seem to go in pure > electric mode. Not great use of London money > former Mayor/PM I'm struggling to see your point here

Consultation here https://haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/busreview There is proposal to reroute the 148 to cover the Camberwell Green, Peckham, Rye Lane, Barry Road sections but it does remove the ability to get to Oxford Circus as a change would be needed at Parliament Square.

ianr Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > FJDGoose wrote: > --------------- > > Brekko?! > > Roo steak, prawns, salad, and a couple of tinnies. Thank you Mick Dundee

Plus the councillors Rose (responsible for making bus journeys faster) and Williams (leader) to ask what they are doing ?

James Now you are settled back in office, can you raise with your fellow councillors and the leader the issue around the removal of the no 12 bus service by TfL as highlighted here /forum/read.php?5,2277496,2279861#msg-2279861 Obviously this is short sighted by TfL and the impact will be massive on the community, elderly and disabled who rely on it and as commuter numbers increase whilst we return to more normal working patterns there will obviously be less alternatives to driving which goes against the councils goal of reducing car usage. I look forward to how you and the council will work with the community and TfL to overturn this ludicrous removal of essential local bus services.

Thanks Kel That's a kick in the Teeth for the area and residents along Barry Road who depend on the 12 to get to work.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling > Word?... That's akin to banging the side of the screen to dislodge the pesky scrollbar

Here's an question for you all If there is a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson, which he loses, assuming the government doesn't go back to the polls with a general election and there will be a new Tory PM selected which of the existing Tory MPs is the one that could be PM. Frankly, none of them stand out in anyway for me but Gove and Rees-Mogg would be akin to voting for Trump in mind.