seenbeen

I don't know why the number plate reading is the standard- surely dodgy peripheral vision is more of a problem?

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lockdown is done. The government has lost all > moral authority. People will hopefully use good > judgement but beyond that? I think people will do > what they think reasonable (as instructed by the > Cabinet) and some will get be sensible and others > will get it horribly wrong. But that's what > happens when you sweep the rules away to protect > one person. Were you ever out and about in ED since 23rd March? If you were you would have noticed that many people weren't following the rules, especially in Lordship Lane, and that there was a distinct lack of elderly people in the park, on the streets as they stayed indoors to save themselves. Now the cops have given up https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-police-retreating-enforcing-lockdown-105706093.html and good luck to the cops trying to explain anything to these people who do this in the first place!

I wouldn't believe the data being put out there personally https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

I was just pointing out that people are circumventing the instructions. (including the staff in the Sainsbury's especially the ones doing the home delivery shopping) The home delivery slots are supposed to be for vulnerable people. People are supposed to be going into supermarkets ONE from each family..... Anyway, I had to go to the Post Office on 9th April- I really should have got a proof of posting but I literally panicked when I saw the mass of people on the pavement there...and others pushing through the crowd so I just chucked my post in the box and went home. Luckily the letter turned up where it was supposed to. (It has now been deemed by the cops that DC did break the lockdown when he drove to Barnard castle....no mention of him doing wrong by going to Durham for childcare though.) It does not appear that DC went anywhere near other people during his 'trips' unlike the vast majority of sweaty panting joggers around here trying to infect people since day 1. Which is why I am not going out except for absolute necessity and a walk per day and from what I've seen - including today when a young woman squeezed past an elderly lady with a walking stick in Townley Road....when there is little traffic on the road- abhorrent!

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > seenbeen Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > My next door neighbours upped and left on 19th > > March fyi,and have not been back. > > And your point is? They left before the lockdown > was implemented, Cummings left after. Total false > equivalence. > > > > Also, if he had > > stayed at home and they had both got too sick > what > > was going to happen to the child? Do they get a > > stranger in to look after him and subject that > > person to the virus in their home? > > 'If' is doing a lot of work here. That 'if' was > made by every parent in the country, even more so > by single parents. The vast majority of them stuck > to the guidance and rules as laid out by the Gov > of which he is a major player in. So for Cummings > it was 'do as I say, not as I do'. > > > > I cannot > > understand how the DC detractors do not > UNDERSTAND > > what he did....as a parent I understand and if > my > > kids were small I would have had to do the > > same....my sister lives miles away- and if she > was > > ill I'd allow her kid to come to me or I'd have > > picked her up....it's what families do and he > did > > not have contact with anyone else- unlike the > > hordes in the park and on Alleyns field. > > Cummings is a very well-off, well connected man, > has close family in London, and a large network of > close friends, work colleagues and neighbours. The > rule was simple, if someone in a family shows > symptoms, self-isolate at home for 14 days. As > I've mentioned before in a previous reply to one > of your posts, he lives in a large house and there > would be no problem for his wife to have > self-isolated. > The whole premise of going to Durham was for > childcare reasons. He failed that several times. > Firstly, the science clearly shows that driving in > a car with an infected person for a long period of > time, in this case around 5 hours, is high risk in > terms of passing on the virus. Far greater than > one person self-isolating in a bedroom. He > would've known this having attended SAGE meetings > and hearing all the scientific advice and what was > the best way to deal with containing the spread. > Secondly, according to his wife's diary for the > Spectator, while Cummings lay ill in bed they > allowed their son close contact with him, playing > at doctor and offering him a medicinal Ribena. So > much for childcare and minimising the risk of > their son catching the virus. > Then there's the latest bizarre revelation that > Cummings drove his car knowing he had problems > with his vision while his son was a passenger. > What an irresponsible thing to do to put a child's > life at risk like that. No common sense for the > safety of the child whatsoever. > > > > Would he have risked foisting the child onto > > social services? Well, would you- I certainly > > wouldn't- by the time they turned up he and his > > wife would be in hospital and then been > prosecuted > > for leaving a 4 year old on their own at risk! > > For reasons stated above this is a nonsensical > premise. Completely irrelevant and not based on > the reality of Cummings' lifestyle. > > > > Just because he showed common sense and > remember > > he did NOT meet anyone else...unlike the groups > of > > teens and young men hanging around the back > > streets and playing footie in ED.... > > Yet more pointless false equivalence. > As for common sense, he clearly put his child's > health at risk by the actions he took. The > sensible thing to do was to self-isolate as the > guidance and rules which he helped draw up > stipulated. The slogan 'Stay Home' was his. It's > this hypocrisy that people are rightly angered > with. > > > > > This demonisation of Dominic Cummings is purely > > political- you only have to see the body > language > > and tone of voice of the press vultures to see > and > > hear where they are coming from....and I > daresay > > 80% of the posters on the ED...if not more. > > People of all political persuasions are angry at > what he did. Conservative MPs have called for his > resignation, and at the time of writing a minister > has resigned. > This is not about right versus left, rather right > versus wrong... Too much time on your hands obvs!

gsweet87 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > RachP, I completely agree about the council. The > vast majority of people are at least polite enough > to bag up their rubbish and put it by the bins. > It's not the public's fault that the bins are not > emptied regularly enough, or that there are not > enough of them. Surely this is the sort of thing > we pay council tax for, but they seem to get off > scott free on this sort of issue. interestingly there was a Southwark Council collection truck- the ones with the wire cages around the flat bed part- out and about on Bank Holiday Monday (on double time no doubt!) so there is NO excuse...

Erm- the last post is headed with the location!

Clutterqueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > tiddles Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > In light of today?s announcements and in view > of > > the founder of the Thursday clap for nhs > > suggesting this now comes to a close - should > we > > make Thursdays at eight a ?boo for Boris? ? > > No. Oh go on Clutterqueen,let them get all their pent up frustrations out.

Monkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seenbeen, what was he supposed to do? STAY HOME. > Just imagine if all UK parents had hit the roads > because they feared they might be sick, he even > got back to the office after visiting his sick > wife at the end of March. His kid went to hospital > up North. He?s an idiot. And yes this distracts > from other issues such as the app etc... that?s > why he should resign now. My next door neighbours upped and left on 19th March fyi,and have not been back. Also, if he had stayed at home and they had both got too sick what was going to happen to the child? Do they get a stranger in to look after him and subject that person to the virus in their home? I cannot understand how the DC detractors do not UNDERSTAND what he did....as a parent I understand and if my kids were small I would have had to do the same....my sister lives miles away- and if she was ill I'd allow her kid to come to me or I'd have picked her up....it's what families do and he did not have contact with anyone else- unlike the hordes in the park and on Alleyns field. Would he have risked foisting the child onto social services? Well, would you- I certainly wouldn't- by the time they turned up he and his wife would be in hospital and then been prosecuted for leaving a 4 year old on their own at risk! Just because he showed common sense and remember he did NOT meet anyone else...unlike the groups of teens and young men hanging around the back streets and playing footie in ED Seeing what is going on around here, first Brockwell park had to be closed, then all the open spaces now are littered with rubbish and human excrement. And since day 1 99% of the joggers around here have been puffing and panting over everyone. This demonisation of Dominic Cummings is purely political- you only have to see the body language and tone of voice of the press vultures to see and hear where they are coming from....and I daresay 80% of the posters on the ED...if not more.

Oh well another Downing Street briefing with the PM totally wasted.....at least we get to see the pit-bull press in their true colours- they don't seem to have a problem with flouting social distancing rules- much like the joggers of ED- and the rest

Monkey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seenbeen, there are many, many parents in London > and luckily we didn?t all panic and fled London, > spreading coronavirus. I expect politicians to > have more of a backbone especially when they show > very little compassion themselves. Of course, > there?s always the possibility he didn?t panic and > just went on a jolly... and what was he supposed to do had he and his wife become too ill to look after their child? Put him into care? And because of the press obsession with DC which they have had since the Guardian accused him of having a War on Whitehall, today's PM briefing was a waste of time- why didn't they ask about the track and trace...the fact that the Isle of Wight pilot track and trace was ruined because people from the mainland downloaded it. Wasted. And as GrowlyBear has pointed out about his neighbours- and I have witnessed every day- MANY people have carried on regardless..this harassment of Dominic Cummings is pathetic- he didn't even go near any other people- unlike the hundreds of joggers and cyclists in ED.

klove Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely Jenny Harries was talking about vulnerable > children whose parents were hospitalised because > of Corona? Cummings could drive up and down the > width of England several times - clearly not the > indication of a man on his deathbed. > > > > seenbeen Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I looked into this and found the youtube video > > from 24th March > > At about 8:25 the ITV news reporter asks the > EXACT > > question about a small child. Then at about > 10:35 > > Jenny Harries explains what can be done > > > > > > I also had a look at the Government leaflet > sent > > out and it is clear on page 2 that you are > allowed > > to care for a vulnerable child.... > > > > I am sure all the people in ED who do what they > > do- even if it is against the advice of SAGE- > > justify it to themselves. He obviously preempted being ill- I was on holiday in Dorset one year and I felt grotty one morning with a scratchy, swollen throat. I could tell I was going to be ill and possibly too ill to drive home on the designated day, so we packed up and went then and there. The actual quote from the pamphlet sent out to ever household is 'You should only leave the house for very limited reasons: Any Medical Need. including to donate blood, avoid risk of harm, provide care or help a vulnerable person.' It also says more detail is available online...not that anyone bothered to read it obviously. The actions of the, pretty much useless, media is abhorrent. This pandemic has certainly brought out the vilest in society.

I looked into this and found the youtube video from 24th March At about 8:25 the ITV news reporter asks the EXACT question about a small child. Then at about 10:35 Jenny Harries explains what can be done I also had a look at the Government leaflet sent out and it is clear on page 2 that you are allowed to care for a vulnerable child.... I am sure all the people in ED who do what they do- even if it is against the advice of SAGE- justify it to themselves.

charter flights https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/394307-just-in-coronavirus-uk-announces-three-more-flights-for-britons-in-nigeria.html

Went to Sainsbury's 2 weeks ago and in front of me were two young couples...by the time we got into the store they had separated into 4 individuals with 4 trolleys. In the store they met up again.....so much for allowing only 1 person from a family at a time. Also my near neighbour goes by car to Sainsbury's frequently and at the same time her partner gets a home delivery.....from Morrisons (I suppose they don't want the supermarket to know) Another neighbour got a massive home delivery from Waitrose about 3 weeks ago and after the van had gone a car came by and another person went to their house and they loaded up the car with bags and bags of the Waitrose groceries. Just some pointers of how to circumvent the Covid rules- Cummings has got nothing on these 'people'

Hoi Polloi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A while ago I had to have a blood test in > hospital. > A nurse put the gloves on, opened the drawer to > get her paraphernalia out, laid them on the table, > then went out of the room, using her gloved hands > to push the handle. Came back ten minutes later > and proceeded with the blood test without changing > the gloves. I had no idea what she could have been > touching when she was out. I have been accompanying relatives to hospital for over 10 years off and on last time was 2016. Saw a doc come out of a cubicle after doing a rectal exam and then took off the gloves and just rinsed his hands quickly under the tap- no soap or anything .... A friend went into hospital for an operation and they took a nasal swab for MRSA...it came back clear. Then a few days later- and she'd never left the hospital- they did another swab for MRSA ...it was positive. A nurse came in to her ISOLATION room to check her one day when I was there and didn't even bother washing her hands when she left- touched the door handle for a start. The woman in the next room was isolated for C. diff. Also I have seen several wearing jewellery on their hands over the years....weird- all these things harbour bugs Things have improved it seems https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/healthcare-associated-infections

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Do you think perhaps the whole show is > stage-managed, which is why there's little depth / > originality to the questions asked (or that > questions are vetted) ? I don't think it is stage managed - Boris headed off the DC situation but still EVERY journalist asked about it thereby wasting any useful questions (if they ever have any). I live apart from my family and thought about what I would do if I was DC with a four year old child....I would have done the same thing. I did see a tweet from someone who said that if they had both got ill they could have put the child in the care of social services.... as if they haven't got enough to do Any better suggestions? My daughter said they could have got an agency nanny in- (hopefully one that had already had the virus I suppose).....

People are travelling unnecessarily because they can....saw about 10 cars outside the Alleyn's field today and there were loads of people in there- no toilets there and it stinks around the edge where there are peoples' garden gates....disgusting and unnecessary. Alleyn's is my nearest open space but can't be used really just for walking around.

I was under the impression that people are trying to work from home as well- I know we are....if your kids get up early get them ready and take them out for their daily exercise after breakfast- wear them out a bit, come home and then do the quiet stuff And as for loud music- those who do that are just morons imo and there's no reasoning with them

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thousands of people all over the country have > ignored the rules from day one Yes- that was my impression too. I was dismayed to see a puffing and panting jogger on the pavement running towards an elderly lady and a couple with a small child on a bike on the pavement. Did he go into the road (there were no parked cars and no traffic)? No - I was in the road as I could see them coming and him puffing and panting behind me..he mad no attempt to avoid them...this has been going on since day 1 too!

Today's briefing - what a joke after the third media rep. asked the same question that had been asked and answered twice already I switched off with full admiration for Grant Shapps and Jenny Harries for keeping their cool. If these briefings have shown us one thing it is that REAL journalism is DEAD

No need for him to resign- 24th March from newschain.co.uk 'However, Dr Jenny Harries said at the daily Downing Street press briefing on March 24 that a small child could be considered ?vulnerable?. ?Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance,? she said. ?And if the individuals do not have access to care support ? formal care support ? or to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs.?' I'm sure Boris will appear to talk to us about something soon. This is like when he didn't visit flood areas...the people who lived there didn't care as he is not an expert on floods

Instead of politicising everything maybe we should blame the REAL culprits. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47358028 and when they aer challenged https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/violent-fare-dodger-floored-london-16552365

I wouldn't use the loos even if they were open. The spread from urine and faeces was documented at the start- remember diarrhoea and intestinal upset was a symptom. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200402/Is-coronavirus-spread-through-feces.aspx Also when you flush, if the lid is not down, the urine and faeces are aerosolized into the air...that was in the news some years ago as a warning to people who leave their toothbrushes etc open in a bathroom with a toilet Might explain why public loos are not open at all!

PnB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You have to go in the bush, which is annoying when > there is so many joggers puffing past. > > Its even worse on Peckham Rye Common, there are > not even any bushes! So you have to slash against > a tree in full view of everyone. So it was YOU!