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Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > giggirl Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Jah - not even a passing mention for Peter Tosh > > and the Glimmer Twins? Was this an oversight? > > Shame. > > > Too bloody commercial. Give me the roots stuff > anyday. Studio One, Duke Reid, Bunny, Trojan, Lee > "Scratch" Perry, King Tubby, dub it up > styleee....Bim! Too right Jah. As in my previous comment: Dub. I rest my case. I was never much into the Lovers Rock thing. But the roots and the dub...

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is more like it. A proper 70s classic from > the Doc. I also have the other version of this > riddim "Oil Crisis" from '73. Fecking tune. > > Doctor Alimantado - Best Dressed Chicken In Town For me, Dr A is the biz. Also Poison Flour. His album Best Dressed... was a classic back in the 70s (a non-stop favourite on our turntable then), but the CD re-issue includes a bunch of extra marvels and is really worth getting. If you buy just one reggae album, this should be the one.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sean, surely then the problem is simply that in > America you are Democrat or Republican, right or > left. Or perhaps mid-right and far right? That means that these 2 groups have to cater > for everyone, so unfortunately, you get the > opposition supporting this kind of nonsense. If it > were here, the main opposition would for the most > part, oppose it, leaving the loons of the far > right parties to get stuck in.

Mick Mac, I should point out that first part of para 2 is factual as I have seen it reported, whereas the end of that para is my speculation of the possible logic at work that might justify such a position (opposing governments doing stuff for all citizens). Curiously, the 'prosperity gospel' churches themselves are not seen as part of this 'socialist evil' by advocates: but they are social institutions nevertheless. A position of internal contradictions, no? No doubt there are other factors at play: considering the vast sums at stake, the US private healthcare industries are no doubt lobbying like billy-o to get their point across with senators, congress-persons, state governors etc. And the US lobby machine is far and beyond anything we might face in this country. Edited once to correct singular to plural.

Did you offer to plead guilty to a lesser offence? :)

A little piece of chris cunningham at BC.

Excellent vids ibilly. Did you catch any of the Chris Cunningham on Castle?

For those of us living on SE23 borders or in SE23... Anyways, I would point out that such stats may be slightly biased, as this is presumably reported burglaries. People who are uninsured - largely the poor, who often can't afford insurance - will often not report. So I'd say the official figures probably under-represent burglary in poorer post-codes. There may be other factors that warp the stats, but that's the main one I suspect.

FPTP voting system means that most people voted against those things, but got lumbered with them anyway.

I feel there is a relationship to certain churches here, though perhaps not religion per se. There's a degree of overlap between Republicanism and churches following the prosperity gospel. The prosperity gospel is very much about the individual, and individual wealth is taken as proof that you are being looked upon kindly by god. The logic seems to be (?) that anything that reduces your assets (such as taxes) is affecting your status in the eyes of god. (Unless it's a tithe to the church concerned, which is considered an investment for future prosperity.) The word 'social' seems to be a dirty word in the US, more generally. (I suspect they are equating 'social' and 'national socialism'. Such poverty of thought?) In mainland Europe, the social is encouraged. 'Solidarity' in life is something to be encouraged, and often mentioned positively in newspaper headlines. In the UK, we seem to take a middle course/have more mixed feelings. Of course the NHS (and other widespread social benefits) came out of a very particular historical situation: the second world war, returning soldiers and all that. If we didn't have it, would it be introduced today?

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But if the NHS in the UK could be created on the > back of a financially crippling war, surely it can > be done in the US? > > Noone is denying it will cost money, but given the > trillions thrown at the "wealth creators", not to > mention the various wars on the go, we know that > money exists > > And if, as is forecast, many Americans will lose > their jobs in the coming years, having a > free-at-source medical resource would be money > well spent for them surely? You are quite right Sean. It's not a choice between public and private expenditure on health: at the end of the day, the country will have to afford caring for its sick, even as the bill rises with an ageing population. The choice is: do we - socially through government - spend on wars or health? Or more generally, what are our priorities as a society? The cost of healthcare per capita in the USA is high. Can they really afford to pay so much money for such little (in terms of coverage) healthcare, with 40 million not cared for? Edited to insert three missing words that clarify sense.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bless you my NHS-representin' massive > > What you say is all valid and TRUE > > However I'm as interested in the breeding grounds > for such flagrant nonsense - this remember, from > the same country which a poll showed 28% of > Republicans believe Obama was not born in America > and therefore has no right to be President > > It's the same thinking that gives the word > "liberal" it's value as an insult > Sean It is also the land of televangelists and "truthiness". > How mankind ever hopes to evolve when something as > basic as can see such a popular president take so > much flak I have no idea?

And by the way Huguenot, whenever I mention PO or CC to others, it's mainly the youngsters that seem to believe that 'technology will solve it all, we don't need to worry, BAU'. It tends to be those 35-55, with a little more historical perspective, who are concerned, and doing something. The over 60s are generally do-nothing sceptics who believe that even if CC exists, it isn't caused by us humans. There are exceptions of course.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah well, we wouldn't expect the BBs to fall on > their swords ;-) > > I think history will prove me right. But then > that's a Bushism isn't it! > > It's mainly titting me off that climate change > deniers, that the obstacles to financial reform, > that the rapists of the public purse are all in > their late fifties / early sixties Ahem, you included people in their 40s. That's quite a way from late 50s or early 60s.

Not a journey I ever do, so have no familiarity. Is the M25 a complete 'mare on a Saturday (midday)? Should I just forget it/hire a helicopter?

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Just back best festival ever (went to Glasto as > well this year) was the zombie with the broken > umbrella and throwing brains at the zombie fest. > > Fantastic weather ,great food (Pizzas at the > Castle stage,chorizo at the Enchanted Garden and > Uncle Monty's bread stall. > > Best acts - John Cooper Clarke JCC was in top form. Better than the gig I saw him doing in Liverpool last year. ,David Byrne, Delivered in spades. The tutus were the icing on the cake. the > Indian fusion band, the icelandic beauty,Penguin > Cafe,Jake Chapman I helped to stage the happening > that occured and got a fiver signed by him with > you stupid c**t love Jake,laughter > workshop,orbital,spiritualized,Pharaoh > Sanders,Kathryn Williams and a host of others. Sanders I can take or leave on a Sunday afternoon in the sunshine, but he is a bit of a living legend. > Fantastic finds by the demon scheduler Our fantastic find was Shackleton on the Castle stage. Well not a find for me, but for my partner and our friends... Chris Cunningham (who does the Aphex Twin, UNKLE etc. videos) was completely outrageous. And the first half of the Hextatic set on the main stage was downright outrageously brilliant. Especially the bit with the puppet dogs perturbed about the LSD in their cornflakes. and really > only two stages to shuttle between. Plus the lovely Enchanted Garden, with the Viva la Vida Cafe playing superb house until 4am on the last night. We also loved the Stop the City mini-venue, up on the hillside beyond Enchanted Garden, where the art trail used to be. Lots of excellent chill acts, the best views out across the deer park, lakes, castle and valley, with added sunsets. The size is good (sufficient space between stages, but not too far), and brilliant being able to walk through the woods by fairy-light to your tent. We ended up camping same area as last year as we loved it so much. Quiet camping > was a dream and the people exactly that chilled > and very well behaved. > > More than just a festival but 3 days when you > believe in a better world - can't wait to go back. 4 days. There's stuff running all Thursday now (late into the night), and things don't wind up until 4 am Monday. If you like minor UK labels, artists that just do their own thing forever, electronica, dancing, general creativity in whatever media, beautiful landscapes, and a 4-day non-stop party, BC is the business. If you like chart music, landfill indie, one-hit wonders, and don't care if you're in an aircraft hanger or a multi-storey car park, perhaps BC is not for you.

First, keep foliage away from the house. Second, stop up any holes and gaps. Third, you probably have a damp problem, so check that out. I had a similar problem in a flat I lived in years ago.

I'm with you PR on the self-employed thing. You pay NI (and tax) but don't get much in return. I'd also point to those able to take advantage of the huge house price rises of the mid-70s, and the massive growth in demand for middle-class jobs in the 60s, as being the main culprits. So that would be people now in their 60s and 70s, born in the 30s and 40s. I've seen friends of my parents who've acquired a large house for 3k, sold it for nearly a million, spent years buying and selling slightly smaller but equally exquisite properties, and have never actually done a 40-hour week, anywhere, since they were 25 years old. They've just lived off the proceeds of their periodic house dealing, and are still sitting on properties 'worth' a million or so. And what's more, all those property deals were free of tax. What a way to make a living :-S They have a real problem understanding how hard you and others are working to pay the bills, because they have never had to. For them, money just magically appears in the bank.

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > They were born between 1945 and 1960 1960 > > If they're not retired yet, they're about to. The government has increased my retirement age, first from 60 to 65, then later from 65 to 66. So that'll be in 17 years' time. > > They spent their own savings, but secured > themselves final salary pensions from the salaries > of their children. Final salary pension worth 2k or thereabouts from the country's biggest scheme, which looks likely to go bust before I ever see it. 2k is about 50 quid a week, before tax. So somewhat less than unemployment benefit. > > They stripped the world of its resources and > frittered them on junk. Never been on a safari, to Africa, to Australasia, to South America, to Thailand, to Goa... No weekends in Tallinn or similar... No car... Cyclist No babies (and all the consumption they entail)... > > They turned our energy reserves into a cocktail of > gases overwhelming the ecology of the planet. See above > > They governed over global trade imbalances that > threaten the security of our nations. There are people who do this stuff, but most of us don't govern. Some of us campaign against. We are dubbed boring old hippies by those younger than ourselves. > > They demonstrated such irresponsibility and > indifference to financial management that they > plunged the world into recession. Mortgages? Debts? Don't go near them. The irresponsible ones seem to be those under 30 who spent 10x salary on air-filled bricks on the Thames with Berkeley Homes and then wonder where it all went wrong when they're left with a 100k cash gap and are facing bankruptcy. > > They still deny it was them - is this really > plausible? Who are they? If you're saying all people born between those years, then that's a gross over-generalisation. There are those of us who were coming out of school/university when Thatcher came to power, and faced massive unemployment. And for some, it didn't get much better after that either. If anything, it was our parent's generation who had it so good: - full employment almost throughout their working lives, with massive growth in professional and media sectors (late 50s, 60s and most of 70s) - house prices of one year's salary, only (paying 3-10k for a house in London or large house in SE when they bought) - beneficiaries of huge house price inflation in subsequent years, with hardly any mortgage - rarely having to do a proper job (able to take out massive loans on the above for ever and a day, and retiring before crazy hours came around) - retiring before all the pensions s**t hit the fan, when company schemes had the best benefits (2/3 x salary schemes, which those of us who came later didn't get).

Bizzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You won't see much with the lights off :)) > > Depends on how big the congregation of a Church > is. Much like a cinema, a Church is open to all > (or at least it should be). I hear from the KICC spokesman via the local rag that the church would be open 1.5 days per week, on Tuesday, and on Sunday: http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/latestnews/South-Norwood-church-reveals-plans-Gala-Bingo-Hall/article-1132136-detail/article.html A cinema would be open 7 days per week. There is also the > chance that local residents may visit the Church. > > "If it was an evangelical church then I, and most > of the people I know, would feel uncomfortable > going inside just to look at the architecture and > decor." > > That's the exact opposite of me. You see, myself > and most of the people I know, would feel > comfortable going inside ANY building, be it > religious or social if we really wanted to marvel > at the architecture and decor.

Bizzy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Huguenot > > Still doesn't answer my question. The objection > gang are showing signs of "If we can't have it, a > Church certainly can't have it". IF the benefits > of an independent cinema were that great, they > would find another site. Most of the objections > are much like yours; they couldn't care less about > the local benefits of having a cinema, but care > much about opposing a Church. Bizzy, you are making it up as you go along. To suit yourself. We care immensely about a cinema. Your view is *if we can't have a church* - and that's we, as you are definitely part of that campaign - *then it'll be shut*. Just wait and find out!! You may be surprised at what happens. You are very 'glass half empty'. We are not. > > If you want to make sweeping generalisations about > the wellbeing and intelligence of a religious > congregation, I suggest you start another thread. > If you have nothing relevant to say, be a > gentlemen and keep your comments to yourself ;-) > > What might "Fisking" be anyway? :-S Google is your friend. (But I know you are not interested in the world around you. You have said as much. Sad.)

Huguenot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "I can't figure out what objecting to the proposed > change of use will achieve. What will you cinema > supporters do if the Church holds onto the > building and tweaks their application as mentioned > before? This could take years." > > Ooooh, the old 'we are relentless' method ;-) > > Nicely employed but a bit obvious. > > I'm glad that Lousiana's doing less Fisking, which > always impoverishes debate - but Bizzy's older > auntie 'pat on the head' approach makes me gag. And you accuse me of fisking!? > > Personally, since I see religion as a political > movement, I see the acquisition of more public > places to exercise their despicable rituals as a > frighteningly virulent rampage perpetrated on the > sick and the thick. Fisk away > > If promoting its use as a cinema is a way to > impede it, then it's a battle well fought. > Forever.

We used to forage from Vauxhall (Nine Elms) fruit and veg market every morning. And sell the proceeds B)

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Music-wise, give me V any day. Sure it's a generic > line-up, but most people will find at least a > couple of bands they like. But I heard that it's > full of lager boys and annoying teenagers. > > I strongly suspect that the Big Chill lineup is > largely comprised of amateur musicians Like Orbital Or David Byrne (Talking Heads). In a tutu. Or Max Romeo Or John Cooper Clarke Hmm, not exactly amateur. (Even L Cohen has played BC, and that's as mainstream as you can get.) - nothing > wrong with that in theory, but I feel a bit ripped > off paying full price for the ticket. There are > usually one or two token chart acts, Chart acts? I see where you're going... Yes, they even have Radio 1 DJ's. As if anyone cared. Really, if you are concerned by what 15-year-olds are listening to, then BC is definitely not for you. Although there was a little too much dubstep for my liking (soooo I heart 2007) as well as a > couple of washed up one-hit-wonders trudging round > the summer circuit. None of those, I'm afraid. Go to Glastonbury or V for that. different plan entirely. Have you been to BC? It's the one place in the entire festie scene (bar Glade) that is *free of landfill indie*. Yay. And a load of guys you've > never heard of twiddling with synths, laptops and > turntables. Wot, like Pete Lawrence? (Castle Stage, 1pm Sunday) Well, he did found BC, 15 years ago. Or perhaps Orbital?? Masses of footage already on YouTube from this. I briefly looked at this year's > lineup, and the only name which jumped out at me > was Max Romeo. Cor, its clear you keep up with what's happening in the world of music if your one point of reference is Max Romeo (Chase the Devil, circa 1976) :) The people there are generally a > good bunch though (even if they are smug, > guardian-reading, pseudo eco-warriors) and it's a > nice size for a festival. Far, far from being eco-warriors. Go to Big Green (if they can bloody get past the police and ACPO and Mendip Council) or Sunrise Festie for that.

The phone number is no longer specific to the sorting office. And no, they don't answer the phone locally, when the other end tries to make the connection. Better to just turn up in person.