Atila Reincarnate

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You are correct Atila - when you said > > > > in no way does that suggest I should do one. It is > in fact the very model of reason, respect for > other's opinion and clearly anyone who thinks > otherwise has a vendetta. Silly me. And even > though it's "TOO @#$%& BAD" for me, it appears > that people are getting on your case. Funny old > world... For god's sake, and this has to be my last word on this because it's beome far too tedious for words, I'm simply saying if you don't agree too bad, that's not the same as telling you to do one. I'm off to the pub for a drink. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGH

Bob I've said what I wanted to say, I think nothing I else I say will change anyones view and I'm not going to change mine.

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We are all not far from singing from the same hymn > sheet. > > Some believe that rehabilitation and compassion > for people with broken lives are the way forward > and others, like myself, believe that certain > crimes should be punishable by amputation of the > right hand, administered, naturally, under > anesthetic. Indeed, If the thief repents and makes > restitution before the case is brought before a > judge, the punishment can be reduced. Aggravated > theft can be punished by cross-amputation of a > hand and a foot. Flogging would be suitable and > acceptable in some cases for certain crimes, as > well. > > Obviously, for more serious crimes some of us feel > that more severe punishment is necessary. > > So a bit of fine tuning and I believe we will all > be of common accord.:)-D So this in david carnells eyes is not spittle flecked but the reasoning of a totally raional being, yet Tony reflects my views somewhat but I'm pilloried. Good to see we are all being consistent here.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes, it is evident that Atila clearly respects > other people's opinions, and is interested in > reasoned debate. Yes in the same way that you respect mine. God it must be great to be so morally & intellectualy superior to everybody else.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Atila - come on - you are on the same high horse > that got you in trouble the first time - and no > amount of people suggesting you calm down worked > then either. If anyone calls your post the other > day (see below) a spittle flecked rant they're > well within their rights because that's what it > was. Not only was it that but it pretty much tells > anyone who disagrees to "do one" > > So the question you ask "how dare you", I'm > pointing it back at you.. > > Atila's reasonable post in full > What is this some kind of vendetta? It's not spittle flecked, it's my view, for which I still make no apology. Nobody else has done so on this thread so why should I? I am offended by your comment on my demeanour and by the other guys comments. Forget the past, this is now, I didn't insult him or you, nor did I say or imply as you seem to suggest that anyone disagreeing with my views should "do one", in fact I would go as far as to say the reverse is true. It would seem that those who do not agree with my view have taken that stance rather than the other way around.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Where did I say my opinion was more worthy? I even > asked what yours was... but still you prefer > schoolboy tactics of insulting your detractor. > > ...and that's my point. I disagree with lots of > people on here (TLS, ????, MamoraMan) but at least > their arguments are jsut that - arguments. Not > pointles outbursts of swearing and anger. > > I haven't insulted anyone with terms like > "bellend" either - only you've steeped that low - > or worse given your previous form. > > Either grow up, contribute something mature that > adds to the debate or piss off. Listen you are the one who started with the personal attacks, "spittle fleck rants", how fcuking dare you. Did I make any personal attack on you or your opinions, no I think not. But you have the gall to make apersonal attack and then wonder why I take exception to your remarks, think before you post or take your own advice and piss off.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Tony - on this rare occasion we are in agreement. > A good summary. > > Atila - you're anger must have blinded you to the > obvious. Football violence was used as an example > of tough policing and stiff sentencing as an > answer to crime. Something you seem to advocate in > between your spit-flecked rants. > > Others feel the picture is more complicated and > that draconian punishments are not the most useful > way for society to progress. > > Now, your opinion is always welcome but try to > contribute more than a sweary version of a Sun > headline or just go back to the football thread > and picking fights in pub car parks. You really are a patronsing and condescending bell end aren't you. Do you honestly think your opinion is more worthy than anybody else's view. You must be more up yourself than I gave you credit for. To read your views anybody would think you have a monoply on reasoned argument. What a tool.

This thread has gone totally off track, what the fcuk has football violence got to do with this thread pray tell?

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I wouldn't like to think they could ever live next > door to me - even after psychological help, > passing GCSEs, learning a trade, or getting off > drugs. Next door?? I wouldn't want to occupy the same planet as these people.

Tony.London Suburbs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > HonaloochieB Wrote: > The Adverts. > > Adverts? Adverts? Call the offerings of today > Adverta? > > Now Leonardo Rossiter and Joan Collins doing the > Cinzano Adverts, deh was Adverts or The PG Tips > Chimps or The original Milky Bar Kid adverts, they > were Adverts.... I agree Tony, but the Meerkat advert is a good one.

I think it would be best for all concerned if we just agree to disagree, as I said previously I'm not trying to take the "morally superior" high ground, nor am I Clint Eastwood, nor do I aspire to be him. Just accept that I have my view, you have yours, I ain't gonna change, and neither are you. I'm done here.

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- You hold no moral > superiority by condemning the rabid ones to death It's not about moral superiority, it's about getting rid of an inconsequential piece of filth with no soul or feelings. Who said anything about the need to feel morally superior?

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Atila Reincarnate... with a smile on your face? It > would actually make you happy? > > Are you a lunatic? > > We can prevent people re-offending by locking them > up for the rest of their life. The death penalty > is revenge. There is no place for bloodthirsty > revenge in civilised society. Nothing to do with > political correctness. No I'm not a lunatic just somebody who is sick to death of the scum and filth we are surrounded by, with no support from the authorities and faced by people who are too afraid to make a stand against the tide of shit coming our way, yes I would smile. Nothing to do with political correctness? I personally don't give a shit.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So what about my question then daisie. Would you > be the one to kill the "scum"? If it was someone near and dear to me that had been done in, you bet your life I'd look them in the eye and pull the trigger with a smile on my face. I mean that with every fibre of my being.

Annasfield Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Think I read on here the other day that Sandperson > was away. Should we wait until everyone can make > it or just go for it? > > Would you come Atila? > > Think I've met most people who regularly > contribute to this thread now. Anna I'd love to come but Wednesday nights are my regular 5 a side footie night and as it's the only exercise I get I'm loath to miss out on it. If you're going to the next EDF booze up I'll try and come along as I'd like to meet you all, and yes, even Sandperson.

Having watched the England game, then the Brazil game as well as snatches from a few other games, I'm convinced England has about as much chance of winning the world cup as I have of becoming a peace envoy for the UN or Pope.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The "waste of effort and money" is a red > herring... for the tiny proportion of crimes which > would warrant a death sentence (e.g. in the U.S.) > I don't think it's going to make any difference at > all to the costs of the prison system. > > Some people are assuming that the parents would > like to see the murderers killed... maybe they do, > who knows... but you shouldn't assume others share > your values. Not everybody is driven by revenge. I see the word revenge being tossed around as if revenge against such barbric and heinous crimes should never be considered. Well I tell you what if I was unforunate enough to be in the shoes of the parents of the students butchered by those evil bastards, I'd want them to suffer EXACTLY the same fate inflicted upon their victims. Yes it's revenge yes it's tit for tat yes it's an eye for an eye and I've no problem with that at all. I'm F**king sick and tired of all the naval gazing that goes on today, we hear so often about the pontification of the liberal bleeding hearts who bang on about the rights of the criminal and F**K the victim, ENOUGH, ENOUGH, ENOUGH. I ain't no F**KING christian, nor do I believe in any other doctrine, but I certainly ain't prepared to turn the other F**KING cheek. Now to all of you who are anti capital punishemnt accept there are more & more people who want it brought back and the numbers are growing. IF THIS MAKES UNCOMRTABLE READING TOO F**KING BAD. Kill the c**ts and have done with them, pieces of garbage that they are. I make no apology for my views.

Bell Boy - Who

bigbadwolf Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Keef Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > BBW, you say that any punishment is by > definition > > revenge. I disagree, I think revenge involves a > > certain emotional content. > > Keef It's impartial revenge on behalf of the > people. When I crime has been committed no matter > how trivial the powers that be such as the Police > and the courts have to take into account the > example they're setting to the general public. For > instance, a man walks into a bank with a gun and > threatens to shoot the customers if the cashiers > don't hand over the cash. Fortunately the Police > arrive in time and arrest the offender. Apart from > attempted robbery people have been put in very > genuine fear of loosing their lives and loved > ones. As a result of having a gun waved in their > face they now have to face the psychological > effects of the crime. They will also feel angry at > this intrusion into their lives that will hinder > them in the future. The Police and courts > sympathize with them and also want to send out a > message anyone thinking of going down the same > path as the accused. > The punishment is essentially revenge being dished > out to those who intentionally disrupt society and > it's rule. O.K, I like to think that the judge > isn't sitting there thinking "I want to see you > swing from the nearest tree" and that s/he takes > everything into account before passing sentence > but it is still essentially revenge against the > offender if they're convicted. Well said wolfman

blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> Did anyone say that ? > > the threat of violent retribution - state > organised or otherwise - does not stop these > crimes from happening Right? so we'll do F**k all that will make the world a better place. Until there is evidence which proves beyond ANY reasonable doubt that your argument is 100% spot on I'll take state organised retribution every time thanks. You might want to pass your thoughts on to the mums and dads and the family of those butchered by these bastards, I'm sure they'll take great comfort from them. JEEEEEEEEEZZZZZ. God help us all if anyone of us should ever be in their shoes!!!

blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Atila Reincarnate Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > bigbadwolf Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > I'm personally against the death sentence > > because > > > it's the easy way out. However, I think, when > > the > > > economy is back on it's feet the Home office > > > should follow the American example of the > > Supermax > > > prison. ADX Florence in Colorado would be a > > good > > > template. When I say the death penalty is the > > easy > > > way out I mean that if I was given the choice > > to > > > spend the rest of my life in a cell for 23 > hours > > a > > > day with no human contact for those 23 hours > or > > > take the rope I know what my answer would be. > > This > > > style of prison is only reserved for > America's > > > most dangerous criminals and are on a federal > > > mandate. > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence > > > > > > But surely this is drain on public funds. If as > in > > this case there is overwhelming and irrefutable > > evidence that the pair are guilty, then stoot > or > > hang the evil descipable bastards, it's quick > and > > cheap. I'm tired of hearing about the rights of > > the criminal, whatever happened to rights of > the > > victims and their families fer fecks sake!!! > And > > don't get me started on care in the > community!!! > > 3/10 > > you didnt manager to get "its PC gorn mad" or > "aqnother Stealth tax on motorists" into your > comment > > must try harder So you would slap them on the wrist and tell not to be such naughty boys ever again. F**k off

Just Ain't good enough - Johnny Taylor (album)

bigbadwolf Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm personally against the death sentence because > it's the easy way out. However, I think, when the > economy is back on it's feet the Home office > should follow the American example of the Supermax > prison. ADX Florence in Colorado would be a good > template. When I say the death penalty is the easy > way out I mean that if I was given the choice to > spend the rest of my life in a cell for 23 hours a > day with no human contact for those 23 hours or > take the rope I know what my answer would be. This > style of prison is only reserved for America's > most dangerous criminals and are on a federal > mandate. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence But surely this is drain on public funds. If as in this case there is overwhelming and irrefutable evidence that the pair are guilty, then stoot or hang the evil descipable bastards, it's quick and cheap. I'm tired of hearing about the rights of the criminal, whatever happened to rights of the victims and their families fer fecks sake!!! And don't get me started on care in the community!!!

My mum and dad are Turkish Cypriots and came here in 1955 to escape the infighting in Cyprus at the time. My late dad and my ma who is till around bless her, love England and have never once been tempted to go back and settle in Cyprus where they are now viewed as tourists. I have never been there but wat to go at least once before I shuffle off this mortal coil to see where ma & pa came from.

Kaka for ?73 mill, it's obscene. How can any right minded indidvidual feel comfortable with this. Plus they say he will be paid ?10 mill a year after tax. I never cease to be amazed at how far detached the world of football is from reality. THis can't be right and is morally and ethically wrong. At a time when the world is in financial meltdown, it can't be right. Climbs down from soapbox having got this off his chest.