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Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe if we didn't seek scapegoats to justify us > breaking rules, the virus might have been easier > to contain. You mean like blaming the Chinese for the spread of Covid? Your promotion to Maximus Stupidcus is now complete...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The majority, not the minority, feel put upon by > rules, regardless and the DC incident just gave > them licence to use it as an excuse. Let's look > at current behaviour with masks or anti lock down > protesters , they certainly aren't Doing it all > because one man didn't follow the rules You're wrong, again. Take a look at recent polls and you'll find an overwhelming majority in favour of a lockdown (from memory circa 75%), and everyone knows that entails rules. A majority of those wanting a lockdown wanted a 'hard' lockdown (from memory circa 60%), that's not people looking for an excuse to break the rules. For that you have to look at the flip side of the coin, those who didn't want any kind of lockdown (from memory around 10%). > If trust is that thin then we are either sheep > lead by the media or quite frankly doomed (captain > Mainwaring doomed I say) The DC incident is important as he was seen as an integral part of the Gov and the rules we were asked to follow. Actions and words by those in power have consequences, they act as a catalyst, people will react to them, witness the events in the US right now. DC should've resigned or failing to do so, been sacked. That would've sent out a clear message that breaking the rules was unacceptable. > Secondly to use your "for the hard of > understanding" line > > For the hard of thinking , how the hell did China > contain it so well in one Provence yet allowed it > to spread to the,world. It wasn't just a case of a > few people having it in small pockets around the > world, a large number of people must have had it > to create a viral load that infected so many so > quickly > Therefore open your mind, look at why China could > contain it whilst the rest of the world got it so > bad and then and only then call me stupid like you > basically did above ! > > There has to be some reason that a country of so > many million where it originated from didn't see > it explode in all districts yet internationally it > escaped like a rabid beast.. you tell me how they > stopped it and the rest of the world couldn't > because it's not as easy to dismiss as the Tory's > are feckless idiots ... I dunno Stupidcus, how does an exponentially spreading virus with a 14-day incubation period, where a third of carriers are believed to be asymptomatic, spread so quickly?...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Somehow they stopped it spreading internally but > failed to contain it from getting out of China For the hard of understanding: It. Had. Already. Left. China. By. The. Time They. Tried. To Contain. It. Internally...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Which is just a shallow excuse for rule breaking > by people who weren't going to respect them > anyway. Wrong, some people changed behaviour directly because of it, they had been respecting the rules. Trust was broken, which is kinda important when dealing with a public health crisis. Personally, the BC incident didn't change my behaviour but I understand why for many it did. They weren't natural rule breakers you like to paint, simply fed up with the 'one law for them etc'' attitude of the Gov. > Did he corrupt the French, Spanish or Italians > where people also broke the rules ? Of course there will be people that break rules, but they are in a minority and as I said before, the majority kept to the rules. The first lockdown worked with respect to suppressing the virus and flattening the curve, precisely because most of us followed the rules. Do you seriously think we shouldn't have rules because of a minority will break them?...

Spartacus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DR > Explain then how China closed its internal borders > to contain it mostly to Wuhan but international > flights / travel exported it to the rest of the > world. > > If the same measures implemented internally to > contain it to Wuhan in China were used in the > first place, covid would be no worse than the last > SARS outbreak... > > Hence why I'm if a mind to look at how the Chinese > government let it escape to the rest of the world What bit of ''it would've already been too late'' did you not understand?...

> Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > > I actually think it's spreading fast due to how > > people behave, no matter what government rule > is > > put in, by any government, people won't follow > it > > and the virus goes "that'll do nicely thanks" Actually, most of us were following the rules, then Bernard Castle and the failure to show contrition and/or apologise happened...

I don't see how someone can blame the Chinese Gov for not containing the virus when it first appeared, when almost every other country has failed to contain the virus when it first appeared on their shores. What special magical powers do the Chinese have that everyone else doesn't? The only countries that have been successful in that respect have been the ones that went into full lockdown including closing their borders, e.g. New Zealand. Even if China had done that by the time the virus was seen as a serious threat (don't forget, some people at the time were dismissing it as another scare story, that it would blow over like previous SARS-like infections) it would've already been too late to have stopped it spreading to other countries. I read somewhere that with some of the early cases in France they think infection took place late autumn 2019, before it became newsworthy...

The King is back. Long live The King!...

I'm currently grateful for buying too many Christmas mince pies which I smugly scoff knowing that North Korean's could never dream of such western decadences... More mulled wine Comrade?...

As long as the Gov doesn't start massaging the figures like it does with testing...

malumbu, wouldn't it be quicker if you just wrote out our views yourself?...

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Trinnydad Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The style is very similar and BB has been > accused of > > multiple IDs before. > > > It's been a while since BB was accused of multiple > IDs, I'm guessing before your time as Trinnydad. > If that's the case, care to tell us what you're > previous ID('s) were?... Mystery solved...

There is at least one Tory politician having a 'good' pandemic, Neil O'Brien, who has challenged the Mail and Telegraph for platforming anti-lockdowners, Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers et al, like the hideous Toby Young...

Give me quality over quantity any day. The incompetent fucker should've resigned over the abject failure to protect the most vulnerable in care homes...

I don't get Johnson, the Gov had a chance to get ahead of the virus for once with respect to it's spread outside of London, and yet he dithers again. It's like he has to see something bad happen before he believes something bad will happen. The same mistakes over and over again. It's pathological...

I get the impression that seabag knows more about fish on a plate than in a net... :)

It's a shame but very predictable that vaccine procurement and roll-out has become another part of the on-going culture war by certain elements. Producing the vaccines has been an international effort within the scientific community, Pfizer being an example where you have a US parent company working with a German start-up company formed by 2nd generation Turkish, manufactured in Belgium, and there will be many nationalities working within each. I'm sure it's likewise with the Oxford/AstraZeneca set-up. Instead of trying to score cheap political points try and be thankful that such effective vaccines have been found so comparatively quickly, regardless of who, where, or how they came about. That's what we should be feeling fortunate about...

malumbu, ask your green buddies what they think of the Guardian story I linked above...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's only been 2 days....So it's far too early to > make any new assessment. But if you really had to > be forced to on 2 days of evidence....There's been > no chaos at the ports, the VAT has been removed > from sanitary products, electric pulse fishing in > British waters has been banned (at least 6 months > ahead of the EU)......yes, these are small things > in the grand context, and other impacts are yet to > be felt...but they are clear (dare I say it) > TANGIBLE benefits.... I think the 'chaos' predictions were more to do with No Deal. Eurotunnel, Port of Dover and Road Haulage Association have gone on record saying ports would be empty on Brexit day and at least the week beyond due to Brexit stockpiling. Mid-Jan is when they foresee "invisible chaos" which I presume means all the additional red tape. Either way, the locals are revolting... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/01/residents-furious-brexit-lorry-park-kent-village Re. 'Tampon Tax': putting aside that EU member Ireland doesn't levy tax on tampons, it could've been scrapped whilst we were still in the EU when it was proposed as a Labour amendment in the 2015 Finance Bill, but was voted down by such luminaries as Bernard Jenkin and Steve Baker. It was still an issue right up to the referendum when Cameron was trying to renegotiate our deal... Re. Pulse fishing: By 6 months I assume you're referring to the EU final implementation date for the ban. France and Belgium have already implemented the ban, nothing stopped the UK doing likewise. I think what we've seen with both these 'benefits' is the UK deliberately sitting on them so they could be seen as a benefit of Brexit, tangible or otherwise...

That was indeed a great game and exciting team, people say the modern game is a lot quicker, not so sure after seeing that again, Doc's Red Army out in full force, happy days!...

Larry's still living in a parallel world where GE 2019 never happened I see...

TheCat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I know 'red tape' will never allow it to > happen...but I wonder if many of our closed pubs > across the nation could be used as venues for > vaccine rollout?

PredictAddict hasn't yet updated Week 13 scores and isn't showing up to date fixture dates/times for Week 14, but here's Week 14 fixtures anyway... Friday 1st January Everton v West Ham United Manchester United v Aston Villa Saturday 2nd January Tottenham Hotspur v Leeds United Crystal Palace v Sheffield United Brighton & Hove Albion v Wolverhampton Wanderers West Bromwich Albion v Arsenal Sunday 3rd January Burnley v Fulham Newcastle United v Leicester City Chelsea v Manchester City Monday 4th January Southampton v Liverpool

Clutterqueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What position? The country voted overwhelming to > leave the EU back in 2016 and that's what he and > his government have finally done. It wasn't just about 'leaving the EU', it was just as much about how we left, and the type of Brexit that was sold at the referendum and what we've ended up with are mile's apart. He's failed in that respect. What's the point of a Prime Minister 'just doing his best' when his best is a crock of cack. Sorry to break the unofficial EDF truce, but when people spout bollox like that... *Picks up beer...*

*diable rouge enters room* Hold my beer...