Loutwo

Kebabs are cheap, nutritious, and relatively healthy if you don?t order chips. A equal balance of protein, carbohydrate and at least one of your five a day fruit/veg. Compare that to a pizza? You can?t. No contest. Louisa.

I?ve already said I?d be happy with a Poundland or similar. That way we can get sweets and other stuff, all at a knock down price. How about that? Or would that go against your plan to open more pizza restaurants? Louisa.

But which of your pizza restaurants include a drink? A family on a budget will often struggle to add drinks onto that. You?ll easily be looking at 35/40 quid with drinks. Possibly more. And personally, I?m not sure most people would feel satisfied on a artisan pizza. I?d probably pop to the kebab shop on the way home. Louisa.

I?m not shifting any goal posts. I said wealthy foodies could afford it, and that LL was becoming an exclusive haunt for their ilk. If you think a regular family of four can afford ?25 a night for a meal then I seriously think you need to get a new calculator! Also, as I previously explained, Wetherspoons do a variety of different meals, often which include alcoholic/non-alcoholic drinks for a set price. In fact, I think they even sell pizza with a drink! There is no such thing as a Louisa approved restaurant, as you well know since Le Moulin closed I have struggled to find the same level of warmth and hospitality locally. But that?s just my opinion. It?s not all about me. It?s about a useable high street with variety of choice. More pizza doesn?t add to that mix. Wealthy foodies will be salivating, but most of us are sighing into our Pinot. Louisa.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Still doubling down Louisa ? > > 25 quid is cheap compared to many (most?) places > targeted at the hard-up working classes. Pick a > blue collar sit-down chain. (Beefeater? Wimpy? > Wetherspoons which is a pub not a restaurant but > still) > > How much would it cost you for a family of 4? > > Stop being a dick about this Interesting that your miraculous ?25 doesn?t seem to include drinks. Are we sticking with just four ordinary cheese pizzas? Or are we putting fancy toppings on? Also, the nearest Wetherspoons are a bus ride away, and many of their options include a drink with the food. I?m not being a dick, I?m being realistic. Louisa.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > pk Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Pizzas are awful. Unhealthy, full of fat and > > bad > > > carbs. Basically a dolled up bit of Welsh > > > Rarebit. > > > > > > If this continues, our high street will be > the > > > exclusive destination for wealthy foodies and > > no > > > one else. Sad news. > > > > > > Louisa. > > > > but sweets are more unhealthy, more full of bad > > carbs, less of a meal, more overpriced (at the > new > > shop) > > > > plus the new sweet shop is part of a (much) > bigger > > organisation than 500 degrees > > > > and there are already many, many more places to > > buy sweets in the area than there are pizza, > > including many independent retailers > > > > > > but somehow you think a new sweet shop is > 'lovely' > > and a new pizza shop is a terrible disaster for > > LL > > > > > > is it just that you like sweets more than > pizza? > > Don?t I get an answer? The sweet shop is something unique we don?t already have. Pizza restaurants are not unique we have plenty of them. I?ve explained all this. Stop being obtuse. Louisa.

?25 is expensive if you can?t afford it. Everything is relative. Louisa.

joom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am not playing your trolling game. I am entitled > to my opinions on this. Retail diversity is part > of the councils long term plan, don?t take my word > for it. Do some research. However, it appears LL > is allowed to be overwhelmed by restaurants in > this time of high rents and dying diversity. We > are in need of many many things locally, and > restaurants in my opinion are luxury options, not > everyone can afford to have dinner out every night > of the week. So more restaurants will only isolate > and make our high street less useable for more > socio economic groups who need other options. > > > Me trolling???! Seriously??!!! > > I think you?ll find the internet has a lot to do > with the changes on the high street and resulting > impossible high rents, out-of-town retail parks > also put paid to diversity of shops in towns. Food > and drink is cheap to buy and can make a good > profit for a cafe/restaraunt/bar. > > What are we in need of locally that can?t be > bought online or elsewhere more cheaply? I?m > interested to know what you think that is. Sorry, I?m just getting defensive because everyone?s attacking me. I?m not trying to cause arguments here, I am just easily triggered. In response to your question, a decent pound shop would be handy. Somewhere to pop to buy everyday items at a knock down price. Batteries, tea, biscuits, umbrellas etc. The shops we have locally sell this stuff but at hugely inflated cost. We need some decent high street clothing chains. A river island, small next or topshop would be handy. Not everyone does ?online?, and since the loss of Iceland it?s become more of a struggle for older people who don?t navigate online shopping so easily. People on a budget locally have to travel to peckham for certain day to day essentials, or risking paying inflated local prices. It might sound trivial, but it does appear LL is the exclusive domain for people who like eating out in expensive restaurants. Louisa.

joom Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Y A W N > On LL there are a few sit down pizza places, a lot > of sit down curry places, a decent number of pubs > in which you can eat pub food. There?s Thai, > tapas, Japanese, burgers, vegetarian, sit down and > takeaway Chinese, cafes where you can eat, a place > that just sells quiche... I?ve probably missed > something out but really, what is your problem > Louisa with a new sit down pizza place? Are we not > allowed choice in your version of the world? > Heaven forfend, there?s more than one chemist, > more than one newsagent, card shop, dry cleaner, > hairdresser, clothes shops, off-license, bank! > Obviously the high street can support these > variations of similar outlets. > Go and eat where you like and stop judging and > moaning and complaining and criticising and being > just so B O R I N G I am not playing your trolling game. I am entitled to my opinions on this. Retail diversity is part of the councils long term plan, don?t take my word for it. Do some research. However, it appears LL is allowed to be overwhelmed by restaurants in this time of high rents and dying diversity. We are in need of many many things locally, and restaurants in my opinion are luxury options, not everyone can afford to have dinner out every night of the week. So more restaurants will only isolate and make our high street less useable for more socio economic groups who need other options. Louisa.

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fishbiscuits hasn't trolled you at all here - the > man knows his food > > It's not trolling to say someone is talking bollox > when that is what they do - you have no basis for > saying pizza is just a snack in Italy. It's > nonsense. As your repeated claims that it's a > wealthy, foody fad. You have yet to address saying > (more than once) that it is just as popular across > poor communities across the country > > You are way off beam on this on, and have strapped > on your haughty pants, just like the old days > > Chill No, read back over fishbiscuits previous posts, you?ll soon get a rough idea of what I?m saying. Snobby, self righteous nonsense. Another look at me foodie type. When I am referring to pizza restaurants, I am clearly talking about British attempts to recreate authentic stonebaked whatever you wish to call it, a traditional pizza experience. I am not referring to the bulky, fatty, salty unhealthier crap served up by chains as take away food. All of it is overpriced IMO, but the wealthy foodie variety takes up more space along a useful high street than some tucked away trading estate serving up take away style pizza. Louisa.

I presume, You?ve not read the loaded attempt at goading three posts up then John? fishbiscuits has previous when it comes to trolling on the forum. Just so you are aware. Louisa.

fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Italians don't eat pizza for a meal... bloody > hell.. why pretend to know about something (in an > apparent attempt to insult the tastes of others) > when you obviously have no clue what you are > talking about. > > Same old bollocks. Yes indeed, same old bollocks from you. Apparently someone who takes their family to Terroirs for lunch/dinner. You really do come out with some utter tripe don?t you? Hope you Enjoy your biscuits smothered in fish :) Louisa.

snowy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Why do the usual candidates have to take > threads > > off topic time and again? Is nothing off bounds > on > > this forum? > > > > Keep it on track or don?t bother contributing. > > Narcissistic bickering with more me me me crap. > > Give it a rest. > > > > Louisa. > > Weren't you banned from the main bit of this forum > for doing exactly what you describe? And yet Sue and others consistently are guilty of this, and no one ever pulls them up on it. I have previously been politely asked to reign it in by the administrator, mostly due to other people goading me quite openly, and I have done so. I was pushed so far the last time I walked away from the forum. More recently (since Loutwo) I?ve behaved impeccably on the forum, and I do my best (not always successfully) to avoid the usual candidates attempts to get me banned. Louisa.

Walked past earlier and was reading the sign in the window. I think it will be a eat in venue, but evidently not huge. Unless of course there is room to expand at the rear of the retail property? Louisa.

This hasn?t been a decent pub for years. I appreciate some people enjoy the food side of things, but let?s face it it?s not a place to go and enjoy a few swift ones IMHO. Maybe whoever takes it over can turn it back into a less food orientated venue again. Fingers crossed. Louisa.

Why do the usual candidates have to take threads off topic time and again? Is nothing off bounds on this forum? Keep it on track or don?t bother contributing. Narcissistic bickering with more me me me crap. Give it a rest. Louisa.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Plus ca change, etc etc .... LOL. Louisa.

John I am not coming at this from a anclass angle. I am genuinely asking why we need so many of the same thing? But equally, if the cap fits then I will call people out on it. I guarantee inner London has more of these small chain pizza places than most other places in the U.K., not to mention the equally as expensive take away bulky unhealthier options which are probably aimed at working class people. It?s not about class, it?s about gastronomic diversity. If we keep allowing pizzerias to open up on LL we will end up with nothing else. Much like so many people claim our collection of Indian restaurants is awful, but are happy to stand by pizza because it?s trendy. And yes, wealthy foodies encourage this attitude. You know this as much as me. Let?s not ignore the elephant in the room forever. Louisa.

I?m not whining about anything. I?m simply stating the obvious. We don?t need more of the same. Whatever that may be. Diversity in retail is key to the success of any high street. Come back in five years when this pizza craze has died off. What happens to those valuable retail spots then? I bet none of you have thought of that? Btw I knew someone had to bring Brexit into this. I voted for it, but changed my mind soon after. I am not pro-Brexit by any stretch of the imagination. So please stop using that stick to bash me with, but I suppose it?s an easy target for wealthy foodies, when we all know they?re the biggest hypocrites walking. Louisa.

I?ve had enough of this. I am simply expressing an opinion about pizza and retail diversity. What?s the big crime? Pizza has its place, yes it?s popular, but if we swopped the word pizza for ?betting shop? or ?charity shop?, the usual candidates would be up in arms about the death of our valued high street. Well guess what? These establishments are also popular for many, and yet conveniently in ED we have to put up and shut up about pizza establishments because they?re trendy. But god forbid we have to put up with more betting shops or nail parlours. Hypocrisy stinks. And it seems to be in abundance on this forum. Louisa.

You?re conveniently missing my point entirely. Certain establishments attract a certain clientele. Sourdough/artisan/stonbaked whatever name you wish to give it, pizza, tends to pull a certain class of foodie. Something a Toby Carvery or a Chiquitos would not do, May I add. It?s not just about the price, it?s about the branding and marketing. The bigger point is of course, why do we need another example of the same bland thing? Some variety would be nice. But apparently, wealthy foodies like to berate everyone else for what they eat, but are happy to indulge in pizza when it suits. Louisa. HelBel65 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Still trying to understand why a new pizza place > would attract ?wealthy foodies and no one else? > but you?ve conveniently skipped that point. > > > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Pizza is a snack. It?s not a dinner. > > > > Anyone who says otherwise, needs to speak to > > someone from Italy for confirmation. They?ll > tell > > you the same. > > > > The market is saturated locally, let?s have > > something different with imagination and flare. > > Come on is that too much to ask in 2019? > Northcote > > Road Light is what LL has become. > > > > Louisa.

Pizza is a snack. It?s not a dinner. Anyone who says otherwise, needs to speak to someone from Italy for confirmation. They?ll tell you the same. The market is saturated locally, let?s have something different with imagination and flare. Come on is that too much to ask in 2019? Northcote Road Light is what LL has become. Louisa.

Lemming Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you'd read the discussion above you would have > noted that I walked home from the site in a couple > of minutes. Ah right, that?s ok then. As long as you had fun, who cares about the neighbours. And pk, I don?t live directly next to the Rye no, but I can be empathetic towards people who have concerns. Ever heard of that word empathy? I know it?s a swear word to most in the 21st century. Louisa.

Just out of curiosity, how close do pk and Lenming live to the park? Evidently not as close perhaps as some of those with concerns on here? Louisa.

Yes but what about the not so nice memories for residents nearby who had their bank holiday weekend ravaged by noise pollution, crowds and a beautiful park they weren?t able to fully use (and still cannot). Louisa.