Loutwo

With respect, foxy has a valid point. The rise of Hitler was a second attempt by the German state, under a dictator, to take over Europe and unite it under the Third Reich. It began with the annexation of ?German speaking? regions of various neighbouring countries throughout the 1930?s and ended with them eyeing up the Soviet Union. The EU has done a lot of good things for Europe, but it has also done a lot of not so good things. It?s treatment of Greece for one, is a shameful stain on its reputation. I think we should remain, but not because I absolutely love this capitalist loving institution for wealthy unelected elites, but because I am a pragmatist who thinks we are so badly entangled within its structure we could potentially cause a lot of immediate and possibly long lasting damage to our economy. However, all these remain marches and two fingers at democracy make me feel very uneasy. As I?m sure they do a lot of people. Louisa.

I changed my mind on Brexit soon after voting. I still think we should remain. But the more I see these protests talking about ?democracy? the more the remain camp is pushing me and like minded folk away. I have to be honest here. Louisa.

Come off it. These new businesses in Peckham aren?t part and parcel of the existing community. They?re new businesses aimed at a specific demographic who have only very recently moved into the neighbourhood. You only have to read previous comments on this thread. What?s this character that Rye Lane has kept? Do you know how gentrification works? LL retained much of its character to begin with, as I?m sure Shoreditch and Dalston did 20 years ago. But how long will that last? The whole point of these new businesses is not to blend in, but to change the character and demographic of the place and then house prices go up (which they?re already doing) and before you know it we have another Northcote Road on our hands. Let?s not pretend this isn?t actually happening. Louisa.

binkylilyput Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah but Primark, Iceland, ASDA, the great Chinese > supermarket, sports shops, Superdrug, Argos, > fruit/ veg stalls, Peacocks, butchers, various > African food shops, the kebab place I forget the > name of, nail bars, hair dressers. Specsavers, > Costa.....the list goes on....and most of these I > like and use. > > Loutwo what?s wrong with these place on RYE LANE > (not the rest of Peckham) and why are they not > accessible to all? > > Are some working classes more working class than > others by any chance?! I?d hate to think you > harbour views that you have to be the ?right? type > of working class How do you come to that strange conclusion? Why would you assume that from what I have said so far? Strange response. BTW it took me to have to question people BEFORE anyone responded with actual names of OTHER independent/chain stores In the Peckham area. Before that, it was just discovered places by trendy types who came here post 2013. You might want to re-read my post above, rather than try to accuse me of something more sinister which anyone who knows me would verify is utter BS. Or maybe you?re just doing it to goad me because you actually support gentrification in Peckham? Louisa.

Fire, ianr, I?m on fire! Louisa.

Indeed. Gentrification is a way to force normal locals out, and attract a artsy/wealthy crowd looking for a bargain. These people want to shape areas like East Dulwich to suit their taste, they have no intention of becoming part of the existing community. Same is true of Peckham. Look at some of the earlier comments on this very thread, newbies to the neighbourhood talking about businesses they go to in Peckham and take their friends and family too from wealthy rural localities. They only mention places that sprung up to satisfy their needs. This stuff wasn?t put their for the whole community. It?s hilarious reading back over this thread. Gentrifiers don?t even see the irony in the fact that they are actually part of the problem. They just see themselves as liberal down with the poor crusaders looking for an edgy neighbourhood to boast about with their wealthy friends and family. Louisa.

Bromley. It offers something for everyone. And I mean, everyone. Lewisham, again, offers something for everyone. Croydon, offers something for everyone too. Peckham and Dulwich DO NOT. Louisa.

I hear pizza Go-Go is really good. Louisa.

There?s a fine line between too gentrified, and not gentrified enough. In fact, scrap that. Rye Lane and LL both lack variety. They have a whole host of too much of the same stuff. A lack of variety in general. LL looks and smells OK, Rye Lane looks and smells disgusting. Neither of them offer much for the whole population of the areas they represent. Louisa.

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Actually Louisa, Khan's - just one of the many > "old" businesses on the lane - has been mentioned > many times on here. Positively. > > And only recently KidKruger recommended a fabric > stall in the covered market. > > But don't let the facts get in the way of your > prejudices :)) But interestingly no one mentions any of these places in a specific thread about how great Peckham is? 😂 Once again facts are ignored over fictional pleasantries. Louisa.

Foxy is simply pointing out the elephant in the room. Rye Lane is a smelly, grotty dump which has been taken to the hearts of hipsters and middle class gentrification types. Interesting to note, many of the positive places and ?stuff? going on in trendy Peckham, is all recent stuff aimed at newbies to the neighbourhood. These so called liberal minded types never mention the businesses already existing in the neighbourhood do they? Just the ?discovered? crap they and their trendy friends and family like to visit. Louisa.

/forum/read.php?5,2057321 It?s times like this I wish I could comment in the main section. Foxy is simply pointing out the elephant in the room. Rye Lane is a smelly, grotty dump which has been taken to the hearts of hipsters and middle class gentrification types. Interesting to note, many of the positive places and ?stuff? going on in trendy Peckham, is all recent stuff aimed at newbies to the neighbourhood. These so called liberal minded types never mention the businesses already existing in the neighbourhood do they? Just the ?discovered? crap they and their trendy friends and family like to visit. Louisa.

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The only time I can recall ever enjoying the > expression 'Reach out' was when the Four Tops used > it > > The name of this thread should be changed to 'Vile > misuse of the English language' and could serve as > a repository of rants containing examples of > apostrophe catastrophes, the literally millions of > times one hears the word 'literally' spoken by > people who have literally never read a book, the > wrongful usage of 'enormity,' and other > grammatical crimes that should, in my opinion, be > punishable by either a light prison sentence or > perhaps tazering. Hear, hear. I think prison sentences are too good for these people. I feel sending them out to the middle of the Atlantic in a small rowing boat, would be a more apt punishment. Louisa.

Brexit is now far less likely than ever before. I wonder if Boris has done this on purpose to create a Pinscher movement from the lagging remainers, so he can point fingers when Brexit doesn?t happen, call a GE, galvanise support to win a majority, and walk away from the whole Brexit debacle scott free. Or something like that. Louisa.

So, why are so many people starting responses these days with this rather patronising and lazy sentence opener? I am noticing it more and more, and it is becoming a ?so? epidemic. It?s such a conversational downgrade, and when used in the media or by people who should know better it seems to grate me even more. No excuse for poor grammar and lifeless responses. Any opinions? Louisa.

Nah that?s BS, sorry Seabag. There?s a difference between evolution of a neighbourhood, decline or prosper, it?s all relative. But when a artificial and absolute take over happens, the dreaded G word is to blame. People aren?t lamenting a treasured past, they?re simply looking back over their own existence and comparing and contrasting. Entirely different to having their offspring unable to buy in the same neighbourhood their parents and grandparents grew up in. That?s not right, that?s the market out of control. And it?s not just Dulwich or Peckham, London or New York. It?s happening the western world over, and shifting populations at a whim and entirely to the mercy of market forces. Not fair. Louisa.

Usual suspects causing trouble. You?ll have egg on your faces when Bill?s do open. Will I get an apology? Unlikely. Louisa.

I can only go by information supplied to me via the local paper shop. I am a regular since Londis on LL closed. The chap told me Bill?s had been looking into opening locally for a while. I can only assume they?re either staying quiet until they can verify they?ll be taking a lease on for certain, or until they?ve put forward planning permission for signage and reconfiguration of the layout etc watch this space I would say. Louisa.

I can see a few chipped shoulders that need a dash of salt and vinegar around these here parts. Or is it curry sauce? Or gravy? Or maybe even lasagne god forbid. Louisa.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Nothing weird about that. > > Louisa. > > and yet you make some sort of weird issue about > it > > whilst ignoring the fact that tbe wetherspoons > that you crave so strongly have decided that your > despised pizza is the future > > it really is rather pathetic (particularly the > inconsistencies) I?ll tell you what?s even more pathetic. You finding the time to question someone else?s motives behind their dislike of pizza and opinions on chips and condiments. And you call me pathetic? I rest my case. Louisa.

Actually pk, I think you?ll find Wetherspoons offer chips as a side to most of their main menu dishes, if not all of them. Nothing weird about that. However, there are limits when it comes to mixing certain things. Personally, I am not a big fan of chips unless they come with ham and eggs, or fish. Call me old fashioned. That?s just how I roll. I don?t understand why you would want to mix carbs with carbs, it just seems strange. Louisa.

Seabag I?ve had enough of this. There?s nothing wrong with people eating what they like. You know me, I?m not one to judge when it comes to people making decisions about food. However, there are limits. How anyone could be poncy enough to mix a pub classic like lasagne with oven chips I will never know. Never heard of the like. Louisa.

I once went to a lovely chippy in West Lothian, and had a black pudding supper with salt and ?sauce? - a sort of runny brown sauce. It was bloody lovely. With a can of Irn Bru of course! Louisa. Help-Ma-Boab Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ever had your gums round a Black Pudding Supper > Lou? Loads salt and Vinegar. Amazing. > > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > pk Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Loutwo Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > Who on earth East chips with lasagne? > Surely > > a > > > > nice salad and garlic bread is the only > > route? > > > > Bizarre choice. > > > > > > > > Louisa. > > > > > > It?s very common in old school greasy spoon > > type > > > cafs, I thought you liked those traditional, > > low > > > cost, working class places and the people > that > > eat > > > in them? > > > > When I go to a greasy spoon the last thing I > wanna > > eat is lasagne. I?d rather have a fry up or egg > > and chips. If I want something fancy like > lasagne > > I?d rather go in Wetherspoons thanks all the > same! > > > > > > Louisa.

pk Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loutwo Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Who on earth East chips with lasagne? Surely a > > nice salad and garlic bread is the only route? > > Bizarre choice. > > > > Louisa. > > It?s very common in old school greasy spoon type > cafs, I thought you liked those traditional, low > cost, working class places and the people that eat > in them? When I go to a greasy spoon the last thing I wanna eat is lasagne. I?d rather have a fry up or egg and chips. If I want something fancy like lasagne I?d rather go in Wetherspoons thanks all the same! Louisa.

Who on earth East chips with lasagne? Surely a nice salad and garlic bread is the only route? Bizarre choice. Louisa.