Spangles, Hmmm, Nasty arses? was that your first go at being nasty then? I'm assuming it was aimed at me. However the argument that we should respect your viewpoint doens't really wash. Shall we respect Robert Mugabe's viewpoints or the courts in Iran that have just sentenced a woman to death by stoning for adultery, should we? should we? Shall we respect the Burmese junta's viewpoints? Shall we respect the viewpoints of people who like to beat up gays? Shall we respect the viewpoints of people who think that IVF shouldn't be allowed unless you've had cancer beacause having children is a privilege and too bad if you can't? Err no personally. Normally I can be a bit more considered in my posts, but quite frankly after reading what you said that was how I felt at the time. Awfully sorry if I offended you.