Bic Basher

LondonMix Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's certainly a good thing though isn't it > given the shortage for larger properties for > families? I agree to an extent, there are clearly some tenants who clearly don't require those rooms while large families are living in temporary accommodation who then have to bid for council flats. The problems I find with this is that isn't enough housing stock to move single tenants into one bedroom flats and I don't think they'll be enough time for most of them to find appropriate accommodation. The private sector is even harder to acquire rented accommodation with rent costs and the lack of acceptance of housing benefit renters. Most if not all can't put down a deposit on a household. In the long term, the HB reforms could work, but like the previous reforms which saw a per annum cap on benefit, this could lead to poorer residents leaving for other parts of the country where rent is cheaper.

Michael Palaeologus Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You are transfixed by Victoria being the only > destination for people using the SLL. Most simply > pass through Victoria to points east or west. The > ELLE allows them to go east or west without going > through Victoria and so reduces the pressure on > that station. The ELL was designed not to take passengers to a central London terminus, but to give passengers easier access to connections, particularly to the tube network and at Clapham Junction where there's a multitude of national rail services to Southern England as well as Victoria and Waterloo. The interchange at Canada Water is easier than walking from the end of platform 16 to the tube platforms at London Bridge which can take 5/7 mins. As I already use the Overground, if I'm travelling to a Zone 1 tube station, except for London Bridge, Waterloo East or Charing Cross, I use the Overground and tube, it also works out cheaper for me using Oyster PAYG.

Social housing residents are also facing changes as more housing and council tax benefit reform starts in April 2013, Southwark are proposing a 15% cut to housing benefit per bedroom to working age residents who have more bedrooms than they require. For example, a single person with two bedrooms would see 15% off their housing benefit, but if they move into a one bedroom, they'll continue to receive full housing benefit. A neighbour of mine has already started looking on Southwark Homesearch as they have a three bedroom (kids have grown up and left home) to downgrade to a one bedroom in preparation.

Sad news that actor Bob Hoskins has announced his retirement from acting as he now has Parkinson's disease. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19176729

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Undisputedtruth Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > > > > It seems people are happy to give out wrong > > > information and then blame the person for > > > correcting them. What arrogance! > > > > Pot, kettle.... > > Nonsense, my information is accurate unlike yours. Which you spin to meet your own objectives, where as I can see both sides without being rude and childish which you clearly are. However, unless anything else constructive comes out of this conversation, which I doubt will come out of undisputedtruth's mouth, I'm out of here.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > It seems people are happy to give out wrong > information and then blame the person for > correcting them. What arrogance! Pot, kettle....

There's one in Carshalton Road, Sutton and another in Isleworth for Mo Farah.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Undisputedtruth Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > It seems the people who are complaining are > the > > > ones who give out misleading and unhelpful > > > information to the forum. Then get upset if > > they > > > are corrected. > > > > > > If you're not sure of your facts then please > > don't > > > post. > > > > Who made you forum monitor? > > > > I read that as "If you don't agree with my > > viewpoint, please don't post as I'll rant and > rave > > at you back" > > When would you stop giving out misleading > information, Bic Basher? Hardly a responsible > adult behaviour. Not very helpful to forum > members. Misleading information? Considering your behaviour in The Lounge, in particular in the Euro 2012 thread, you have a lot to answer. The fact is you've been rumbled and resorting to troll tactics to get your point across. *awaits post about my low self esteem*

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Come December, there'll be anger for sure as a > great deal of people are unaware that the service > is about to be cut. Yes, I can't wait for you to register multiple accounts to register your disgust.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It seems the people who are complaining are the > ones who give out misleading and unhelpful > information to the forum. Then get upset if they > are corrected. > > If you're not sure of your facts then please don't > post. Who made you forum monitor? I read that as "If you don't agree with my viewpoint, please don't post as I'll rant and rave at you back" There are two viewpoints to the SLL changes and both should be debated sensibly. If you read the Rail Forums thread, which our friend is now posting as Another-Level, there's a rumour that from 2019, the SLL may return as a shuttle service between Battersea Park and London Bridge, which would bring back the London Bridge trains from Peckham Rye back up to 6 per hour

njc97 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic basher - minor point, but on the other forum > you say the ELL stock will be 4 car trains. I > think they'll be 3 car, in line with rest of ELL > (since some of the old stations are too small for > 4). While I think the ELL will be a net > improvement for people at Denmark Hill/Peckham > Rye, it's also a bit disengenious to suggest that > the change to district line at Whitechapel is a > good replacement for changing at Victoria - if > you're heading west that's a much longer journey. The trains that are going to be used are the 4 carriage trains currently used on the ELL, which you'll see the current driver training services are in use already. They also have selective door opening if Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road haven't had their platforms extended in time for the opening. I didn't make the point about using Whitechapel as an alternative to travel to Victoria which of course isn't viable if you're travelling from DH or PR. It'll either be a longer wait for a Southeastern train or change at Clapham Junction. The Whitechapel option is only really an option if you're travelling to East London or into the Tower Hill/Aldgate areas of the city. Incidentally there will be what is known as a 'parliamentary service' to Battersea Park, it's a way of not going through the bureaucracy of closing a rail line, so expect one train a day going there on weekdays instead of Clapham Junction.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Now you back tracking, Bic Bash. What ever > happened to read and weep? Full of wishful > thinking if you ask me. It'll be wishful thinking when you step on board the ELL in mid December and you'll wonder what all the fuss has been about.

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't see why posters can't have a sensible and > adult exchange of views on a subject such as this > without being insulting or abusive. There are two > sides to the argument and both sides can be put > politely, with opposing sides agreeing to > disagree. It seems that anonymity encourages some > people to say things online that they would not > say face to face in public. I'd love to, but when you deal with aggressive behaviour from a man who's more than capable of debating in a mature manner except when it comes to transport issues. It's classic trolling behaviour to wind up other users (as seen with me and edcam) and bring them down to their level which then devalues the discussion. The facts are with the SLL, from December the SLL closes. Even after 2019 when LB's refurb is complete, London Bridge won't have the platform capacity and as the SLL is the least used of Southern's metro services, it won't return if the DfT can use those paths (slots for train services) for more profitable services from outer London or Surrey/Sussex. PR and DH will benefit from additional Thameslink services from 2019 and there's also the possibility that TfL will take over Southeastern's metro services, which the Dartford to Victoria train comes under. If TfL take it over and put it under London Overground's banner, there is a strong possibility that late evening and Sunday services will start which will fill the void of the Inner SLL's closure. In an ideal world, the SLL and ELL would run side by side, yet that isn't the case and SRUG should use their efforts to encourage passengers to change their journey patterns which may be to their advantage. Peckham, Denmark Hill/Camberwell and ED are not in some backwater, there are public transport alternatives which don't necessarily mean using rail.

I was bitten a month or so ago, left with swelling on my knee for a couple of days which became itchy. The only way it went down, was to use a cotton pad with malt vinegar which reduced the swelling. My mother has been bitten by these pesky things at least once a week.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Even they are not certain that you could use the > inner SLL railcard for the outer SLL route. > > I'm not willing to take risk a criminal record > just because you think there's a loophole in the > railcard ticketing system. Besides, most people > uses travelcards, rather than railcards, where you > have the required zones where the trains travel > through. The routing guide clearly states that the season ticket is valid via Streatham Hill, although the concern from some is that Southern may request that loophole is changed come December. Or you could just change at Clapham Junction with your zone 1-2 travelcard, but that seems like too much hard work.....

Undisputedtruth Wrote: > Well I'm not willing to take advice from you. A > couple of years ago, I once asked a ticket > inspector for his advice about the cost of tickets > in travelling on the outer SLL. He and his > colleague were clear that you had to have a > travelcard which covers all of the zones where the > outer SLL travelled. Read and weep my friend. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=69415

Oh dear, Undisputedtruth is trolling again. It's no wonder I don't visit the transport threads on here that often when this supposed know it all and regular passenger of the SLL (and possibly a member of Southwark Rail Users Group) can't see what's in front of him and does the classic keyboard warrior actions of bringing down people who don't agree with his viewpoint. If you search his account, his posts include various put downs to posters who don't see his POV on transport issues. May I suggest people visit the Railforumsuk thread where a sensible discussion of this topic by transport insiders has been discussed without the need for being agressive. Even the legendary EDF transport user can add his two pennies worth if he signs up. http://railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=69548

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not sure why you're using the rolleyes here. The > fundamental fact you've failed to understand is > that the ELL will worsen travelling times to > Victoria and offers a slight improvement to > journeys to Chiswick. The trains going from > Clapham Junction to Chiswick also serves > Queenstown which is only hree minutes away. > > Too many people have explained this situation > where the ELL will make their journeys worse. Yet > you still don't get it, Bic Basher. Oh dear, once again you're spinning a negative agenda to a passenger who's looking forward to improved services on the line. Classic trolling. We'll see in December if passengers really care about getting the least used part of the Southern network re-instated or do what normal people do and get on using with the services we already have which has been the case where Overground services have replaced Southern in Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park. Incidentally Mr Undisputed train anorak, your previous argument about travel costs for the outer SLL is complete crap, season ticket holders from Battersea Park will be able to use their current season tickets at no additional cost.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > @craigyboy71 > > If you thought my option 3 was too long for you > then I think you would also be disappointed when > the ELL becomes live. Not much difference in > journey times I'm afraid. But at least he won't have to wait too long for a train in comparison to the beloved SLL. *rolleyes*

benmorg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ukjoncollins Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I work a few stops on in Syon Lane, currently > the > > fastest way (when traffic calms back down > again) > > seems to be the 185 to Vauxhall then the train > > from there although a train from ED to Clapham > and > > then on to Chiswick isn't too much longer. To > be > > honest with you, currently it'll always take > you > > somewhere between 1 - 2 hrs whatever way you do > > it. You soon get used to it though. > > It's only 40 mins from Peckham Rye to Turnham > Green via train & tube, but I think the Victoria > service will end when the new ELL extension starts > this winter. They'll be two trains per hour from Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill to Victoria on weekdays and Saturday except evenings. The ELL will replace the SLL if you're going to Clapham High Street or Wandsworth Road. Battersea Park (and Victoria) will require a change at Clapham Junction.

I think one of the reasons why Nunhead is cheaper is due to it's lack of public transport links. The rail station has an infrequent service into London, with 2 trains per hour to Victoria (except evenings and Sundays) or 2 trains per hour to Kentish Town (Blackfriars evenings and Sundays). Otherwise it's the 78 which connects to Peckham or the P12 to Surrey Quays. I suspect those who don't rely on Nunhead station use the buses to Peckham Rye to connect to other rail services. New Cross Gate and Brockley stations are in walking distance of parts of Nunhead which are on the Overground. To travel to ED, you're better off walking from the end of Nunhead Lane down East Dulwich Road to Goose Green than waiting for two buses.

The options which don't include the tube tend to be cheaper. Zone 1 comes at a premium. You can shave a bit of time off the FH to CJ section by getting the first Overground train to Crystal Palace and walking over to the Southern platforms, although it is a bit of a walk up the huge stairwell.

I haven't used Canada Water since the games started, however the best thing to do is to get on the front carriage and go up the escalator to the ticket hall and then back down to the Jubilee platforms. There is a direct escalator from the Overground platform to the Jubilee, but I think that's closed for the duration of the games as it can get overcrowded on a normal day. Alternatives are to change at Whitechapel for the District/H&C and get off at West Ham if you have tickets to the Olympic Park events or you could do what I did on Saturday and stay on the Overground and change at Canonbury for Stratford.

jessrm Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We Got the London overground from forest hill. We > changed at Shadwell for DLR to custom house. It > was quick and not busy. I made the mistake of going to North Greenwich where there was a 15 minute queue for the cable car, on the other side, there wasn't a massive queue. Incidentally Royal Victoria station is much closer to the cable car station than Custom House.

womanofdulwich Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > so your olymoics ticket does/ doesn not cover the > cable car? I'm confused? Sadly not, the Games Travelcard which comes with your ticket will allow you to buy a Boarding Pass at the Oyster PAYG rate of ?3.20 single at the ticket office.