Bic Basher

James Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry to add to the moans but does anyone know why > our bit of the Overground will offer such an > infrequent service compared to the Croydon/Crystal > Palace bit? At times there are less than 4 trains > an hour which should be the very minimum at any > time I think! They operate 4 trains (2tph late evenings and Sunday mornings) per hour on all the branches. It simply means that between New Cross Gate and Sydenham they get 8tph (4tph late/Sun AM) instead of four as they overlap. On what is known as the 'core' section between Surrey Quays and Dalston Junction, this is currently 12tph increasing to 16tph with the addition of the Clapham Junction branch services. It's also worth noting that from late 2014, all of the East London line trains will be increased from 4 to 5 carriages to meet demand, which is already at full capacity on the West Croydon and Crystal Palace services.

The only way it appears to get a new station built is with private financing. I believe that's how Imperial Wharf was funded and the same for Surrey Canal Road which will eventually be built between Queens Road Peckham and Surrey Quays on the ELL.

There used to be a station on the SLL at East Brixton which was open until the mid 70s. Ironically, it was the Victoria Line extension which opened in 1971 and a fire in 1975 which saw it being closed in 1976.

Huggers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the map has a cutoff at West Brompton, where does > the ELL go after there? I had no idea it would > take us all the way west, I think that's > brilliant. The ELL goes to Clapham Junction. The line you're seeing is the West London line which starts at Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction with an extra 2tph which go on to Stratford via Camden Road. As they're both London Overground services, they're coloured orange.

Applespider Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Since when did we become such a want now > society > > that a 35 min bus ride to Victoria is now > > considered FOREVER? > > Well - if you've been used to a 9 minute train > trip, it's quite a bit longer. And traffic on New > Camberwell Road means that it's often longer than > 35 minutes since the bus lanes along that stretch > aren't great. In the mornings, it can easily take > the better part of an hour to get from Denmark > Hill to Victoria. Of course, when everything is > running smoothly, it takes 20 minutes or so and > it's fine. I'm fortunate in that I rarely take > the train to Victoria these days; I cycle there > instead and can control my arrival time. I do > remember those halcyon days a few years ago where > we had 6tph to Victoria during morning peak... > bliss. When I haven't been able to afford the train to work, I've used the 176 and the 185 to work. It does take longer, no-one will deny that, yet the point is I was able to adapt my communing times. At least we have the option to use rail or bus. We're not an outer London suburb where the only choice is rail or 2-3 change of bus a day to commute into Central London. There are some Zone 1 and 2 destinations I'd never consider using rail for, Elephant, Pimlico, Oval, Vauxhall and yes Victoria, I'd only use the bus for. As posted in another thread, London Travelwatch have posted an excellent detailed guide to alternative travel methods for SLL passengers, which also includes bus alternatives. When you read that, it shows you how many alternatives we have to rail. Remember, London has an integrated public transport system and all methods should be considered when making your commute.

Thanks from me too. SRUG provides an excellent map while London Travelwatch explain the alternative travel pattens for SLL destinations in a much more detailed way.

I've noticed the row of shops opposite The Grove are all receiving new shop fronts and signs from Indacos Flowers onwards. Apparently they were told that they all had to "smarten up", now are they receiving any form of council or another form of funding for these improvements or privately?

Worth remembering that the current SLL is badly timetabled when it was most needed, during the peaks with those two carriage services being a few minutes behind the Southeastern services which take the bulk of DH and PR passengers to Victoria. In an ideal world there would be 4tph from the ELL and the existing 2tph on the SLL to Victoria, but that was never going to happen. For most, they'll see an improvement in service with less waiting time on platforms and more connections than was previously available. Since when did we become such a want now society that a 35 min bus ride to Victoria is now considered FOREVER? Try living in a part of this country where we have deregulated buses and in some cases no late night services and a long wait for public transport where there is no public body to ensure they're operated to a certain time. We're lucky to have what we have and are soon to have from December in comparison!

Excuse me Mr Barber, I've lived in ED ALL MY LIFE THANK YOU!! I've been here when we had bugger all transport wise. I can remember waiting 30 mins for buses in LL, two trains an hour, nothing on Sundays and yet the moaning minnies on here are complaining that we're getting MORE TRAINS. We now have a situation where those in the east of SE22 now have trains every 5 mins from FH and HOP, DH and PR are seeing their rail service and capacity improve by 50% in comparison with now with cheaper rail fares on Oyster which is much needed to help people find work away from South London in one of the poorest areas of Southwark. Face the facts, we're never going to be North London where the Tube network was easier to build in comparison to the clay ridden ground we have down here. While I have sympathy for antantant's situation, there are plenty of buses to Victoria from QRP. If the so called politicians really gave a damn about the beloved SLL, more should have been done at Parliament to pressure the then Labour government and by Southwark which I recall at the time of the announcement was part of a Tory and wait for it LIB DEM coalition! Sadly politics plays a role in the supposed simple role of getting people to work with both Labour and Tory Boris claiming credit for the East London line extension, yet as soon as it was clear the SLL wasn't going to be saved, nothing from the local politicians who are quick to take credit for anything positive.

antantant Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Everyone seems to be focusing on the Jubilee line. > As a Northern Line user, I reckon everyone from > DH will change at Queens Road Peckham and continue > to London Bridge on the ohter trains. Stuff > changing for Clapham North, makes no sense. It'll be a cheaper Oyster PAYG fare to change at Clapham North and the other tube/DLR connections than it is now. A trip to Morden will be considerably cheaper from here than it is currently.

I didn't mention Highbury and Islington as a connection either, mainly because it won't be of any advantage of getting into work via Central London, but it does have it's purposes. Victoria line up to Seven Sisters and Walthamstow without having to use Brixton or Vauxhall. First Capital Connect services up into Hertfordshire and parts of North London and London Overground connections. It can also be used as a long winded way of reaching Kings Cross St. Pancras.

Lowlander Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes if you can avoid Canada Water between 8 and > 0915ish it's ok. > > And the return journey is obviously easier - > although no chance of getting a seat on the > current Overground service via Forest Hill in the > peak, and a guaranteed one at London Bridge. If you avoid the West Croydon services during the peak, you have a better chance of a seat or at least bearable standing room on the Crystal Palace train which is 5 mins behind. Always wait near the end of the platform, everyone waits at the front which doesn't help. Canada Water does have an issue in the morning peak where people cram for the one escalator down to the Jubilee platforms. My tip is to walk to the front of the platform, go up the escalator to the ticket hall and then back down which takes you towards the front of the Eastbound Jubilee line platform. The quick 2-3 min journey to Canary Wharf negates the need for a seat and extra cost of travelling via London Bridge. Those Southern London Bridge trains via Forest Hill have improved thanks to passengers changing their journey patterns, along with 10 car services during the peak to West Croydon and at least 8 on the outer SLL via Crystal Palace. Passengers who use LB services via Peckham Rye after December 9th may also see a slight reduction in usage, although not straight away as they decide which way to travel.

The thing about the Overground in general is that it's all about connections rather than taking you to a central London terminus. A quick look of the new ELL stations that will benefit most PR and DH customers. Clapham Junction - South West Trains into Waterloo, plus direct services to Southampton, Portsmouth, Reading etc, Southern to Victoria, East Croydon, Gatwick Airport, Surrey and Sussex, London Overground West London Line to Kensington Olympia, Shepherds Bush for Westfield, Willesden Junction etc. Clapham High Street - Northern line. Surrey Quays - London Overground connections to Crystal Palace, West Croydon and New Cross. Canada Water - Jubilee line (quicker and CHEAPER journeys to Canary Wharf which no longer requires Zone 1) Shadwell - DLR to Bank and a secondary back-up for Canary Wharf when the Jubilee has problems. Whitechapel - District and Hammersmith and City lines. (Crossrail from 2019) Where as now, you have to use Victoria or London Bridge to enter the tube system to get round central London, the ELL distributes those passengers away from the main NR terminals which at London Bridge especially needs a reduction of passengers once the major refurbishment works start.

bil Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I waited 20 minutes for the 185 last Thursday ,it > was completely full (during rush hour) as were the > two buses behind it (176 x2). I got on the fourth > bus which wasn't the 185 I wanted but didn't want > to chance it. The commuter bus service is heaving > with the strain. The same problem exists in > Camberwell, with people unable to get on to 2 or 3 > buses which are full. We really need adequate > alternatives i.e. train, tube. The buses are slow > and don't get me started about passing through > Camberwell on the way home to ED, where often the > bus is stopped because someone decides not to pay. > > > I'm glad that you see the bus as a good travel > option, I wish I had your patience. To me it is > slow and quite an unpleasant experience. I can't > wait until the day I never have to use the bus > again (I live in hope; please let it be soon!) Which is why I suggested it as a late night option, rather than being used during rush-hour when the Southeastern services from Victoria will still operate. I think there is bus snobbery among certain people, despite those buses being well used in ED.

katgod Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No trains Lb to cx for 2 years is a big concern. > Don't think the Ell will help with that at all. It's a year for each station. Charing Cross in 2014/15 and Cannon Street 2015/16. The ELL will provide alternative connections to continue your journey, more likely from Canada Water using the Jubilee line which will connect with Southwark for Waterloo East and Waterloo for the Northern/Bakerloo to Embankment and Charing Cross. As seen with the extension to Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park, passengers changed their travelling patterns to Canada Water instead for the easier tube connection into Central London. London Bridge doesn't need all the passenger traffic during the refurbishment works, so the extension will help to relieve passenger flows already from the Sydenham line and soon from the SLL.

I've noticed nobody has mentioned the 185 bus between DH and Victoria, particularly as a late-night alternative to the SLL. It really doesn't take that much time off-peak than getting the train and runs every 12 minutes until the final bus, instead of waiting 30 mins for the existing train. (After the final bus, the 36 and N136 operate between Victoria and Camberwell Green) As for London Bridge, it'll be the Charing Cross platform closed first, followed by the Cannon Street platform with trains running through the station. Plans are in place, which will allow NR ticket holders to use the tube between London Bridge and Charing Cross/Cannon Street during the closure. Regarding the the Guys/Kings issue. Route 40 operates every 8 mins during the day between the two hospitals with wheelchair access and with the improvements to DH station, including lifts, once completed, it'll be easier access wise to use the Jubilee line at London Bridge changing at Canada Water and latterly Denmark Hill which will all have lifts.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > True, but London Bridge then Charing Cross is just > as quick if you want to get to centre of town > (more pleasant too). Or you'll be able to go ELL > to Canada Water then Jubilee line. All much of a > muchness. Absolutely, although the Jubilee line option won't be available to season ticket holders to London Terminals and from DH will require a change at PR for London Bridge. Journey patterns will change as seen on the previous extensions to the ELL via Forest Hill, with the option of changing at Clapham High Street for the Northern line, Canada Water for the Jubilee (which will be the most popular I guess), Shadwell for the DLR and Whitechapel for the District and H&C. Shoreditch High Street is a few minutes walk from Liverpool Street and the City.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You wouldn't use the ELL via Clapham Jct to get > into Central London. You'd go overground to > Victoria or London Bridge. You won't be able to use the 'overground' a.k.a. Southeastern to go to Victoria during evenings and Sunday's to reach Victoria once the Southern SLL closes. Clapham Junction will be the only way via rail to get to Victoria using NR services. The final train from Clapham Junction to DH and PR will be 2344 Monday to Saturday, 2314 Sundays.

The long journey between Wandsworth Road and Clapham Junction is more likely padding put in by London Overground, so that they can meet their on-time targets if for some reason the train is held at a red light while crossing over the lines into CJ. Still, we won't know for sure how'll it pan out until it starts next month. I'm also hoping that like the other extensions to West Croydon and Crystal Palace opened in 2010 that they'll offer free rides all day, this was done by giving free zone 1-6 travelcards on launch day by the gateline assistant at each station.

If you're on Android, download the Open Signal Maps app from Google Play, it'll show you where you're receiving your phone signal from in addition to checking your download speed.

The frequencies used by EE for 4G are not affecting tv signals, that'll be when Vodafone and O2 launch their services.

I have noisy neighbours and have resorted to earplugs at night and filling in a diary, but I am a council resident which gives me added help when it comes to resolving the issue.

3G here is fine using the combined EE network.

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Because of the new Overground route using limited > capacity in December. The proposed reduction in service to Thameslink via Herne Hill is nothing to do with the new ELLX. The South London line is being closed due to the introduction of the new ELLX and the lack of capacity at London Bridge during refurbishment work.

My issue with the Lib Dem propaganda is that they didn't get enough votes to represent me in College Ward. It's the work of the two Labour Cllrs and the Tory which are of interest and have no issue when their respective parties send their newsletters through the door. A newsletter from ED ward has no relevance to me or how I'll vote in the next council election.