Bic Basher

There are other local forums nearby which don't have the character that the EDF has, although there is a boundary between banter and bullying/trolling. Clearly UDF is a creative chap with the ability to use words and documents to his advantage, although if you're a newbie to this forum and you get him being aggressive to you, it is rather off-putting to posting again. Whether he stays or not is up to the Adminstrator. Ms B, don't worry about *Bob*, he's just in UDT character mode.

So UDT is a stylist meets interior designer and transport expert who plays football on Wednesday and can't make the time for squash. Back of the net!

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Undisputedtruth Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Bic Basher Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > Passengers travelling eastbound from > Denmark > > > Hill > > > > using the ELL will have a 5 minute wait to > > > change > > > > for LB services. > > > > > > > > > 10 minute wait in some cases. > > > > The Sydenham line has a gap of 15 mins between > LB > > services. > > But for Denmark Hill rail users, some of their > journeys to London Bridge are nearly doubled, come > December 2012. Also, the warm waiting room at > Peckham Rye will shortly be demolished and people > will freeze while waiting for their connection to > London Bridge. Oh didums, they could just get on one of the other trains that server Peckham Rye instead.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Passengers travelling eastbound from Denmark > Hill > > using the ELL will have a 5 minute wait to > change > > for LB services. > > > 10 minute wait in some cases. The Sydenham line has a gap of 15 mins between LB services.

bon3yard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Two words - Chris Morris Close, but at least Morris had clear targets for his satire. UDT's targets are hardly in the Chris Morris league.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In view of the number of misinformation given > here, I'd much rather wait for the official > timetable. I'd rather wait for you to get banned personally.

Open Train Times appears to have the December timetable available at least provisionally. Using Peckham Rye, ELL services will run approximately 15 mins to Clapham Junction at x01, 17, 31 and 46 past each hour taking 20 minutes. There's a 9 or 10 minute gap between Wandsworth Road and Clapham Junction depending on the service. If this is the case, that gap needs to be filled up somehow to persuade passengers to use it as an alternative to change for Victoria which will otherwise fill those existing Southeastern services. Highbury and Islington services will run at x14, 29, 44 and 59 with services taking 10 minutes to reach Canada Water. Passengers travelling eastbound from Denmark Hill using the ELL will have a 5 minute wait to change for LB services. I'd urge that this information is provisional and could change before December. http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/PMR?day=10&month=12&time=1000&year=2012

My favourite Partridge scene.

I'm not really bothered about the building's 70s architecture. This for me is about the loss of what is the last really cheap food store on LL. (Londis is more expensive than Iceland on many products) Admittedly I'd use the Simply Food store as their sandwiches are of good value, yet they won't sell the range of frozen ready meals Iceland currently stock for those who like their products. So where do the frozen food customers go? Co-op? Possibly. Sainsburys. Maybe, but the range is nowhere as wide. So where does that leave your average customer? The Iceland in Peckham or the larger supermarkets.

"Actually I do enter M&S stores for self-smug satisfaction purpose that I know I can buy cheaper and better quality elsewhere. Also, I actively check out their clothing range as I'll probably die of embarrassment if people remotely thought one of clothes came from them."

Alan Medic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm afraid Lady D hasn't had enough exposure > yet.If she hung around for long enough she would > understand. Best not, otherwise she'll succumb to self-esteem issues.

Simplistic in your own view, as asked on Rail UK Forums. What other service would you drop so that the SLL could stay at London Bridge? You couldn't give another option as the other services have more passengers using longer carriage services in comparison to the SLL. The SLL from Peckham Rye and Denmark Hill was also timetabled 5-6 mins after the Southeastern service from Dartford would call at those stations. Hardly an efficient use of the service when the bulk of passengers were picked up by the earlier train. If those SLL trains were spaced out more evenly, you may have a more viable argument. Incidentally, how would you expect those trains to call at their current route once the SLL platforms at Battersea Park become bay platforms as the mainline platforms are being extended?

"At the end of the day, I refuse to relate to low self-esteem, self-interest, idiots, simplistic thinking thickos or selfish people. That I'll make no apologies for"

I can spot a troll though....

Your victory??? Bringing me down to your level? Woo bloody hoo!!!!!! If that's a victory, than my goodness, I can think of other things I'd rather celebrate or get a thrill off than that. The fact is you should have been banned years ago for what you are quite frankly a sad little man who has nothing to do but disrupt forums with your always right attitude. I didn't come here to fight with you, but to debate, something which you have to have the final say. The fact that you feel that you have to win every argument shows that you have a lack of understanding and empathy with other people who disagree with you. Even though your methods are to basically make people feel smaller than you to make your own life seem better than it actually is. I'm sure you were the class bully at school? The fact you were banned from Rail UK Forums as quickly as they did shows your motives which is to troll and make yourself feel better by belittling people you consider to be "thickos" Another Autistic trait. As for the self-interest. Pot, kettle. As long as people agree with how you travel, that's all that matters. Don't worry about the little people (in your own mindset) who use the bus or use the Sydenham line as that's beneath you. Quit the alpha-male crap about sports, I'm sure your Sunday league team loves having you, but don't believe your own hype eh?

Train walking is nothing short of frustrating on some tube lines when the door opens or leans on the window, it automatically sets off the brakes, which is why you get sudden jolts while mid journey between stops. You can walk between carriages on the new Met line trains and on the ELL.

I wasn't disputing that ED'ers use Denmark Hill. Once again you only listen to what you want to believe which is one sided and bordering on the Autistic spectrum where you can't relate to other people's differences. Also considering you claim to know everything from planning issues, sash windows to transport is also a trait of the condition. You seriously need help my friend and spending all your time keyboard bashing on the EDF isn't helping you. If people are offended by my comments, I apologise, yet this person clearly takes the piss and brings our hyperlocal forum down with him, which is a shame as there is constructive and community here which this person is bringing down with his constant diatribes.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Well boo to you. For someone with a superior intellect, that's dire. Sunstroke? The eastern end of Lordship Lane is nearer to Forest Hill than East Dulwich, so would you say they travel down to ED by walking as the bus is so pass?e than the shorter distance to FH?

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Now you're showing your allegiance to the Sydenham > line. It's all us and them with you isn't it? You may be shocked to find that ED'ers use various rail lines to commute, not just the SLL or the trains from East Dulwich station. Even Dame Tessa Jowell added Forest Hill as part of her rail survey questionnaire a couple of years back. Some even use the bus which you despise so much.

DulwichFox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I do not use Trains and seldom use Buses.. > > But I have been known to board a Bus.. Climb the > Stairs and walk the entire legnth of the bus to > find a seat. > > Am I a Bus Walker. > > Fox. You ride the bus? UDT won't like that one little bit. You should be getting the train!

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can tell that you're easily narked because you > just resort to name calling. I don't think you > know what trolling is. > > Anyway, you've been exposed with your simplistic > thinking and your hatred over the South London > rail services. I will continue to fight for > improvements on rail services for East Dulwich, > Camberwell, Nunhead and Peckham. Oh dear UDT, the keyboard warrior strikes again with another classic diatribe. You clearly know what trolling is pal. Now go and buy yourself a ?1 ready meal, it'll help your superior creative mind when trolling at 4am.

Hold on, he sourced that info from the link YOU gave! One rule for you and another for anyone else, so who's misleading now?

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You're confused, Bic Basher. Better transport > infrastructure allows people access to more jobs. > So some of the poor can better themselves by > accessing better paid jobs. You're the one who > wants to worsen our local rail services. All I've seen once again in this thread is you trolling your way through yet another serious topic which between your diatribes has some very good points raised which you've been very quick to be rude to those who oppose your viewpoint. Still, that's "old news" eh?

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not really, dulwich2012. > > There are pockets of deprivation next to affluent > areas in London. I also spoken to a member of > Iceland management (where I earlier reported on > this thread) and they confirmed that the store was > making money. What we're see here is the risk of > excluding the least well off members of society > from their local high street. That is morally > wrong. It's a concept that LondonMix couldn't > grasp in relation to the National Planning > Framework. Right UDT, I'll bite on this one. On Rail UK Forums while discussing the SLL closure/ELL extension when I mentioned that Peckham has social deprivation problems which means there's a higher percentage of people using buses as the main form of transport instead of the train to Victoria. You told me it was "old news" and that with more affluent people coming in, they would be the next rail passengers. So, it's perfectly fine for a budget food store to stay in a gentrified part of town while you'd make some of the poorest residents in Southwark (who shop at Iceland and Lidl) use expensive rail services? As I mentioned at the start of the thread, I also have concerns about the poorest being deprived of cheaper means of purchasing food, yet I'm confused by UDT's stance.

Hilarious that UDT thinks that I've got an agenda where I support the abolition of the SLL based on my own train services. Complete nonsense. The Sydenham line carries more passengers than the SLL and saw two trains per hour scrapped in 2010 when the ELL service was introduced, yet it still warrants 4tph to London Bridge, which Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham will still have after the introduction in December, along with an extra 4tph serving those two stations on the ELL. The fact is the SLL would have been scrapped ELL or not because of the Thameslink Programme works at London Bridge, at least this way passengers are getting something with extra services and less waiting time between trains, despite having some of the least used passenger rail usage in South London. (SLL only and not the Vic to Dartford) If forum members on Rail UK Forums from across the country can see why the SLL had to go in it's current form, yet ED's own transport/anti M&S Simply Food/Sash Windows keyboard warrior can't see it, then I don't know what else to say?