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matthew123 Wrote:

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> LOL - and there is me thinking you'd come out and

> defend the two United players.. but instead you

> point the finger at Liverpool!


I'm not defending them because they are possibly guilty. I am just waiting to find out the truth before accusing them, not paying attention to the drivel spouted by some right wing, fascist rag. The examples I gave were to show the sensational journalism of your favourite paper.


And for the record I am going for a 1-1 draw this weekend or a United loss.

As Fergie would say, "I hope they cut each other's throats" ;-)


You can bet your bottom dollar that if Liverpool beat Stoke on Saturday then come Sunday on Sky, Richard Keys will clasp his hands together, slowly hunch forward, look at camera, pause, then turn to Jamie Redknapp and ask, "Are the team that lose today out of the title race?" ... then after some fidgeting from Jamie, the obediant, but authoritative reply will be "Yes Richard"

>Tbh it was a stupid appointment by the board. Johnny Giles wanted the job, the other senior players wanted him to have it, >Revie wanted him to have it and yet they gave the role to a man who had spent years slagging off Leeds as dirty cheaters >to anyone who would listen. Not clever.


Clough was hardly unique in holding this opinion of Leeds. That was the general reputation they had at that time, and by and large it was pretty well deserved. Yes Eddie Gray and Peter Lorimer were sublime - but Hunter's reputation was well-earned, as was Jack Charlton's. So, internal appointments like Giles apart, any new, eligible appointment would have arrived with this opinion of Leedstoo, admittedly not broadcasted so loudly as Clough's


>The subsequent decline lay more in the once-in-a-generation quality of senior players who were all coming to the ends of >their careers. Although Clough went on to build European Cup winning teams at Notts Forest I'm not sure he would have been >capable of such a task at Leeds.


Well we shall never know of course, but you can see how this very reputation would make it tempting to appoint him to rebuild a successful side with so many stars ageing together. Clough & Taylor were easily the best team for this task on the face of it.


And if Clough "liked a bung" I doubt he was much different to many other managers of this period: it seems to have been part and parcel of the whole subculture. He certainly was no different to the famously grasping Revie in this respect.


Just before Leeds appointed Clough Sheffield United needed a new manager. It was pointed out to some Blades board buffoon by the local press that Clough was available and this idiot gave a knowing superiro laugh and said words to the effect "Oh rest assured we won't be appointing him!". The atttitude sickened me, espcially when Forest went on to win all those trophies whilst the Bramall Lane trophy cupboard remained - remains! - quite bare.

from yesterday's fiver:


Imagine our shock, then, on hearing news this morning of Cristiano Ronaldo's high-speed smash in a tunnel near Manchester airport, which left his brand new Ferrari 599 GTB amusingly mangled into a steaming lasagne of hand-crafted carbon mush. As a statement from Greater Manchester dibble confirmed: "At about 10.20am police officers sitting about in Greggs the Bakers eating chicken tikka slices were called to the A538 Wilmslow Road near to Manchester airport following reports of a road traffic collision."

A dark day, then, for the prancing horse, not to mention the flash car he was driving around in. But at least a breath test at the scene found only hints of furniture polish, rib 'n' saucy flavour Nik-Naks and the bitter taint of cruel, mocking laughter, rather than cooking sherry. "He's fine and is training as normal with the team this morning," confirmed a Man Utd spokesman, looking out across the five-a-side pitch as a swarthy figure with flaring neck muscles performed a series of humiliating nutmegs before running away and hiding behind Mike Phelan.

Rhinestone Cowboy Wrote:

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> Ronald Car Crash Part 2

>

> He was later heard complaining to the police that

> the wall wasn't back far enough......



Ha ha - got that one this morning too. Recyled from the days of Mr Adams' crash I believe.

SimonM Wrote:

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> Clough was hardly unique in holding this opinion

> of Leeds. That was the general reputation they had

> at that time, and by and large it was pretty well

> deserved. Yes Eddie Gray and Peter Lorimer were

> sublime - but Hunter's reputation was well-earned,

> as was Jack Charlton's. So, internal appointments

> like Giles apart, any new, eligible appointment

> would have arrived with this opinion of Leedstoo,

> admittedly not broadcasted so loudly as Clough's


You're right of course, but I think the "Dirty Leeds" tag was both over-used and lingered for far too long. Whilst some of the team (Bremner, Charlton, Hunter etc) could certainly put it about if required it was neither unique to Leeds (Stiles at ManU, Harris at Chelsea) during a particularly "hard" era of English football, nor was it something the team put before footballing skill. With the exception of perhaps Jack Charlton (who was definitely an archetypal "boot it out" centre back) the rest of those players were sublimely talented. A iron fist clad in a velvet glove if you will.


Interesting parallels were beginning to be made at the height of success under O'Leary. Whilst we had mercurial talents such as Kewell and Viduka there was a steel to the team with some hard players such as Bowyer, Mills and Smith. These days their ilk are seen as just unpleasant. In the 60s and 70s they were essential to a well rounded team.


> And if Clough "liked a bung" I doubt he was much

> different to many other managers of this period:

> it seems to have been part and parcel of the whole

> subculture. He certainly was no different to the

> famously grasping Revie in this respect.


Agreed. I think, much as they'd be loathed to admit it, most Leeds fans know that Revie bribed a few refs. But I don't think it was out of the ordinary for the era - just fatter envelopes.


> Just before Leeds appointed Clough Sheffield

> United needed a new manager. It was pointed out to

> some Blades board buffoon by the local press that

> Clough was available and this idiot gave a knowing

> superiro laugh and said words to the effect "Oh

> rest assured we won't be appointing him!". The

> atttitude sickened me, espcially when Forest went

> on to win all those trophies whilst the Bramall

> Lane trophy cupboard remained - remains! - quite

> bare.


Heehee....I didn't know that. Just think of the bragging rights across Yorkshire you could have had with a couple of European Cups in your trophy room!! The mind boggles.

Just got this email, made me chuckle.


Liverpudlian Rhapsody (to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody)


Is this our Stevie?

Captain of LFC?

Arrested in Southport

All caught on CCTV.

Open "The Sun"

It's there on Page One, you'll see.

I'm just a Scouser

I need some help

Because I'm Huyton-born, Huyton-bred

Once a Blue, now a Red.

Whatever the truth is, it doesn't really matter to me.


[Piano: Dumm di dum dum, dumm di dum dum]


Rafa! It's Stevie here.

I've just t*watted a DJ

And they've taken him away.

Rafa, we were four points clear

But now I fear we'll throw it all away!

Rafa! Ooooooooooh.

Didn't mean to make you sigh

If I'm not back in time to play at Preston Tinker on, tinker on, my career is all in tatters....


[Piano: Dum di dum di dum, dum di dum di dum]


Too late! It's Walton Jail.

I don't think that I can cope

I can't bend down for the soap.

Goodbye everybody - I've got to go

Gotta leave the Kop behind and face the Bench.

Rafa! Ooooooooooo! (Anyway the sh*it blows) I don't want to go to jail I sometimes wish I'd never joined Liverpoo-ool!


[Piano, guitar and stuff]


I see a little silhouetto of Hamman

There's ,more dosh, there's more dosh if I sign for Man City But joining such a sh*ite team is very very frightening to me


Calling Barry

(It's Rick Parry)

Calling Barry

(It's Rick Parry)

Calling Barry! He's Magnific-o-o-o-o


I'm just a poor boy from a Scouse family He's just a poor boy from a Scouse family Spare him his job says Co-Coach Sammy Lee


Piano: Tinkle, tinkle tinkle


Easy come easy go! Will you let me go?

It's me, La!

No! We will not let you go! Let him go!

It's me, La!

No! We will not let you go! Let him go!

No no no no no no!

Rafa! Sammy! Rafa! Sammy! Rafa! Sammy! Get me out!

A Big House con has a shower set aside for me! For meee!


For meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


[big Guitar Riff]


So you think you can say my career's in decline!

So you think you can suggest my kids are not mine!

Oh DJ! Can't do this to me DJ!

Just gotta get out! Just gotta get right outta here!


[More guitar and then the slow bit]


My career is now in tatters

Anyone can see

Nothing really matters! Nothing really matters to me!


Anyway the sh*it blows!


[Cymbal: pish]

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