I have a big confession to make!

[computedshorty]

Who is J. Russel.

Could it be the buxom wench Jane was the famous star of the cinema,

if not I think she might have been of that ilk or something similar.

Then the writer by the name Bertrum could tell a harrowing tale,

I don't think it could be that one as he has gone and was a male.

Crupts arena does display canines some are strange none with a muzzle,

few of these that are displayed receive a Rosette like a Jack Russel.

To expose your reason in advance of your full size investigation,

fails to give any consideration of the now ongoing situation.

Revelations of thoughts as uselessness of trees within this locality,

combined with the daily walks taken and used in dogs activity.

Two years and three months did take some time but what did you find?

just moved to the area plea, is a good way to pick an unsuspecting mind.

I have a vision of a young lady from afar New Zealand or Australia just given birth and keeping freelance publications options open whilst resting before returning to employment.

[Alec John Moore]

and have you noticed a greater prevalence of high horses on EDF in relation to the other fora you've been trolling?

[expat]

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://media.skateboard.com.au/forum/images/troll-web1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.skateboard.com.au/forum/forumgallery.cfm%3Fthread%3D71097%26forum%3D15&usg=__j_sHCl9vn-WF5jFYFTUswDehBvM=&h=500&w=500&sz=93&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=pG7znMCe91RhOM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=105&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtroll%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1229%26bih%3D514%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=340&ei=lXNuTPa6GcSJ4QbZwLnhCA&oei=lXNuTPa6GcSJ4QbZwLnhCA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0&tx=49&ty=68

[DJKillaQueen]

What a load of nonsense. Daring to dignify an article about forum trolling as journalism? What will you be writing about next? Do Chav's really exist? Dull dull dull. I'm flaberghasted anyone would even pay to publish such a meaningless piece of reporting let alone read it.

It's not journalism at all....just lazyness masquerading as journalism.

[Mick Mac]

jrussel Wrote:

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> Mick Mac:

>

> When I talk about "socio-economic circumstances" I

> refer to a tendency across the membership of the

> discussion board. This is not judged on the basis

> of trying to second-guess what the circumstances

> of individual members are. It is judged on the

> basis of the predominant themes visible in

> discussions across the boards.

Yes - I know that was what you meant. But since you professed to be able to guage this on a forum by forum basis I thought I'd challenge you to put your abilities to the test on a more specific basis.

[Jah Lush]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

> It's not journalism at all....just lazyness

> masquerading as journalism.

Lazy journalist masquarading as a troll.

[RosieH]

Ooh DJKQ, he's right got your goat, eh? (why have I assumed jr is a he?)

I don't see it as any less meritorious than say, the articles on Facebook that were doing the rounds a couple of years ago in the broadsheets. I just think it seems very after the fact (as indeed, did they).

The pompous reveal was a bit irksome, but as feature fodder for the chattering classes (my mum, thanks to the Daily Mail, still thinks Facebook is the work of the devil) who's to say what's going to sell?

[giggirl]

I've never been to a gig in my life.

[jrussel]

DJKillaQueen Wrote:

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> What a load of nonsense. Daring to dignify an

> article about forum trolling as journalism? What

> will you be writing about next? Do Chav's really

> exist? Dull dull dull. I'm flaberghasted anyone

> would even pay to publish such a meaningless piece

> of reporting let alone read it.

>

> It's not journalism at all....just lazyness

> masquerading as journalism.

Perhaps you would like to wait until my work is published before passing judgement?

I don't really see why you see the subject matter as meaningless, or compare it to an article about "chav's [sic]".

Articles in the mainstream printed press about internet trolling are far and few between. I have been able to find very few. But if you are aware of it being a frequently written about subject - please link me to any relevant pieces.

[jrussel]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> jrussel Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Mick Mac:

> >

> > When I talk about "socio-economic circumstances"

> I

> > refer to a tendency across the membership of

> the

> > discussion board. This is not judged on the

> basis

> > of trying to second-guess what the

> circumstances

> > of individual members are. It is judged on the

> > basis of the predominant themes visible in

> > discussions across the boards.

>

>

> Yes - I know that was what you meant. But since

> you professed to be able to guage this on a forum

> by forum basis I thought I'd challenge you to put

> your abilities to the test on a more specific

> basis.

I could, but to be honest I'd rather not. Firstly because I don't want to offend individuals and secondly because it wouldn't be productive as far as the progress of my work is concerned.

[red devil]

jr, if you imply in your 'article' that I'm a communist satanic worshipper I'll sue the bollox off you :))

[giggirl]

My personal jury is out on this one. I'll wait until I read the article. But you'd better make sure you have a tin hat handy on that day JRus.

[RosieH]

jrussel Wrote:

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> Articles in the mainstream printed press about

> internet trolling are far and few between. I have

> been able to find very few. But if you are aware

> of it being a frequently written about subject -

> please link me to any relevant pieces.

If that was in reference to my comment about its being after the fact, I'm not sure that I have seen any articles on the subject. But this forum's been going for a good few years, I was on other forums for a good few years before that - my point is that it's not terribly au courant.

That said, if you make me famous for being unutterably fabulous, I'll gladly take it all back.

[DaveR]

" You describe my field of investigation as "quite narrow" - maybe, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot to mined from that particular seam. By the way I'm not quite sure why you see the two quotes you isolate as contradictory. The differences between communities will be examined through the lens of their reaction to the troll. The piece will be about both the troll and the communities he interacts with."

How much can you usefully learn about a community simply by witnessing a range of individual reactions to overtly contrived provocation? The two quotes are not contradictory, but this:

"The contrasting responses I have encountered will be used in my analysis of what unites and separates these disparate groups"

is more than a little disingenuous. Unless you really believe that how people react to obvious trolls tells you more about them than...how they react to obvious trolls.

The significance of the online vs real persona point is that it seems obvious to me that your project is fundamentally ego-driven - it's not about any real examination of, or interest in, communities or individuals, it's about how they react to YOU. Again, not exactly rare in the world of journalism, but it kind of undercuts any pretence to your piece being serious investigative work.

[dita-on-tees]

I think some of us are simply passing judgement on the information you have provided so far. And so far it just doesnt sound like an interesting article. Journalist goes undercover and posts conservative comments on a forum which people react to in either outrage or agreement. People in forum communities have different opinions and are willing to share them. Its not exactly an expose on the sex traffiking trade now is it. There is something of interest in the role of the online personae (and for the record I am indeed a cheaper, more vulgar downmarket version of the fine Burlesque stripper from the States...) but I think you maybe over intellectualising trolls. Psychologically can you actually just a communities response to a false stimulae (the opinion of the troll) i think I would just think about sacking the whole project and writing an article on the relative success of Kelly Brookes 'naked month'. With photos.

[jrussel]

RosieH Wrote:

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> jrussel Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Articles in the mainstream printed press about

> > internet trolling are far and few between. I

> have

> > been able to find very few. But if you are

> aware

> > of it being a frequently written about subject

> -

> > please link me to any relevant pieces.

>

> If that was in reference to my comment about its

> being after the fact, I'm not sure that I have

> seen any articles on the subject. But this

> forum's been going for a good few years, I was on

> other forums for a good few years before that - my

> point is that it's not terribly au courant.

>

What you say is true. Online forums have been in existence for some years now, and so has the phenomenon of the internet troll.

However, in the past few years the situation has changed somewhat - largely due to the increasing prevalence of Facebook (and similar social networking sites). Whereas (at least for people under a certain age) interaction via Facebook is the norm, interaction via online forums has always been, and still is, practised by a minority. The rise of Facebook has brought the practice of online interaction to the masses and along with it the notion of the troll, although the way Facebook works means that trolling does not take place in quite the same way, nor is the term "troll" as widely understood. It has certainly brought the notion of the online versus "real" persona to a greater proportion of the population (although with a degree of the anonymity factor removed).

It's with this context in mind that my feature will be presented, and presented to a mainstream (rather than internet-savvy) audience.

[DJKillaQueen]

Who cares enough to read about it ffs ....lol ....it's a nothing topic and like dita says merits no more attention than the naked photo shoots of Kelly Brook. A celebrity columnist could write such an article without having to 'troll' for real and then declare themself to be a troll in the vain belief anyone actually gives a toss. Oh Pray do tell me what you found? Hmm I bet some people reacted to the troll and other's didn't...wow what a revelation of human nature!

You take yourself way too seriously jrussel.

[jrussel]

DaveR Wrote:

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> " You describe my field of investigation as "quite

> narrow" - maybe, but that doesn't mean that there

> isn't a lot to mined from that particular seam. By

> the way I'm not quite sure why you see the two

> quotes you isolate as contradictory. The

> differences between communities will be examined

> through the lens of their reaction to the troll.

> The piece will be about both the troll and the

> communities he interacts with."

>

> How much can you usefully learn about a community

> simply by witnessing a range of individual

> reactions to overtly contrived provocation? The

> two quotes are not contradictory, but this:

>

> "The contrasting responses I have encountered will

> be used in my analysis of what unites and

> separates these disparate groups"

>

> is more than a little disingenuous. Unless you

> really believe that how people react to obvious

> trolls tells you more about them than...how they

> react to obvious trolls.

>

> The significance of the online vs real persona

> point is that it seems obvious to me that your

> project is fundamentally ego-driven - it's not

> about any real examination of, or interest in,

> communities or individuals, it's about how they

> react to YOU. Again, not exactly rare in the

> world of journalism, but it kind of undercuts any

> pretence to your piece being serious investigative

> work.

I understand why you might be sceptical that there is much to be learned from my work, but all I can really say is - wait till it is published, and maybe you will change your mind.

[DJKillaQueen]

I understand why you might be sceptical that there is much to be learned from my work

Pmsl.......what that some people troll and others either get taken in or don't.....?

*Newsflash*...not everyone is real in public forums folks....they actually pretend to be something else for the purposes of 'trolling'.....

*Second newsflash*......sometimes they get caught and actually accused of errrr...'trolling'

*Third newsflash*.....the anonymous nature of a forum allows people to get away with....wait for it...'trolling'

Only EDF isn't completely anonymous because a lot of us meet up with other forum members......oooh did I find a flaw in the control group there?

[jrussel]

DJKillaQueen, why are you getting so worked up about something you haven't even read yet?

Maybe you would benefit from remaining a little more open minded. Much interesting stuff comes from the study of the apparently mundane, or from looking in places most people would not expect to find much of consequence. Ask Alexander Fleming!

And the EDF is not a "control group" for my purposes - that's an odd remark to make.

[DJKillaQueen]

Worked up? lol...

It is impossible to know the tone (or emotion) under which something is written in a forum....unless you know that person personally.

I am not worked up....nothing like it......just find your seriousness amusing that's all.

[sofaRunner]

I am a sofa

[Mick Mac]

jrussel Wrote:

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> Mick Mac Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > jrussel Wrote:

> >

> > Yes - I know that was what you meant. But since

> > you professed to be able to guage this on a

> forum

> > by forum basis I thought I'd challenge you to

> put

> > your abilities to the test on a more specific

> > basis.

>

> I could, but to be honest I'd rather not. Firstly

> because I don't want to offend individuals and

> secondly because it wouldn't be productive as far

> as the progress of my work is concerned.

It was not a serious suggestion.

Who is trolling who, here?

[legalbeagle]

sofaRunner Wrote:

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> I am a sofa

But by definition that means you can't run!

J'ACCUSE!!!!!

[Ladymuck]

Told ya so - LOL!

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