Syringe Exchange/Methadone Services: Crystal Palace Rd

[macroban]

> ? whether any of the services proposed are already provided within the neighbourhood

Seems conclusive then. DMC would be the only supplier of on-site prescription dispensing.

[the-e-dealer]

Except that some of the Services are already provided. Ashwin Tanna Objected to Sainsburys a while back and they couldnt open a dispensary.

[macroban]

> Except that some of the Services are already provided.

Which other medical practice does on-site dispensing?

[the-e-dealer]

its the final line that is important

whether any of the services proposed are already provided within

the neighbourhood;

[the-e-dealer]

There are at least 5 Dispensing pharmacys in the area

[macroban]

Which other medical practice does ~on-site~ dispensing?

Given the choice I would prefer to stay on-site and collect my prescription rather than walk the streets of East Dulwich to find a dispensing chemist that is open after 6pm.

[the-e-dealer]

I agree, I believe the test is whether the service would cause any other chmist to close due to loss of business. Since Chemists are highly regulated it is felt they cannot be left to the free market. It WOULD be great to have a chemist open in the evening!

[mightyroar]

Glad we got all the legal points cleared up.

Never mind the nursery, the after school club, the community centre and the residential street for a moment.

'an ill considered site' because all the consideration has been done by Mediquick. What do you think their motivation might be? Of course they want it on site. Remember that this proposed service is not fulfilling a need which has been identified. It's just a business proposition.

Which is why anyone with a vested interest should make their views known to the PCT. Which they are doing, but who knows what the final decision will be.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

I'm babysitting my granddaughter so haven't been able to read it properly, but I think dispensing chemists who offer advanced services are exempt from 'control of entry' test. see para 24

I am not sure about the predujicial effect test tho. Might have to look at the new regs rather than this consultation document.

[AllforNun]

Never mind ...!

You mean never mind the fact that every street is a residential street; What makes yours so special ?

The people who live on the roads near kings hospital are residents too are they not? Have you got some pecking order that we should know about?

Maybe when these things were moved into local pharmacies the idea from policy makers was to break up the numbers so no one particular area was the sole focus, what is unfair about that ?

[macroban]

> It's just a business proposition.

As are the other East Dulwich dispensing chemists.

[Ko]

macroban Wrote:

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>> Given the choice I would prefer to stay on-site

> and collect my prescription rather than walk the

> streets of East Dulwich to find a dispensing

> chemist that is open after 6pm.

Macey's on Northcross Rd is open until 7.30pm during weekdays, so its still open after DMC closes. Its only 3 mins walk from DMC. But something open until later and/or Sundays could be good.

The existing chemists did offer to extend their hours further. Also if the doctors extended their hours, the chemists said they would extend their hours in line - so that people could pick up their perscriptions after a late appointment. I would like to see some evening surgeries at DMC.

[snorky]

the-e-dealer Wrote:

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> Except that some of the Services are already

> provided. Ashwin Tanna Objected to Sainsburys a

> while back and they couldnt open a dispensary.

Hes hardly being inmpartial is he or thinking about the community when he argues on any chemist related matter !

[snorky]

Its Snorkys mantra, but these chemists want your MONEY. Its how they make a living - of course they are going to oppose anything that nibbles away at their margins

you are being used here by the various factions of established and wannabe dispensing chemists in the area

they are all bothered about money at the end of the day - you BARA supporters have been royally mugged by a bit of inflammatiory wording and fear of the unknown.

SMASH THE CHEMIST FASCIST EXPLOITERS AND THE DUPED FORELOCK TUGGING BARA LACKEYS

RECLAIM THE DISPENSARIES FOR THE PEOPLE

MEDICINES NOT PROFIT

etc

[Ko]

snorky Wrote:

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> the-e-dealer Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Except that some of the Services are already

> > provided. Ashwin Tanna Objected to Sainsburys a

> > while back and they couldnt open a dispensary.

>

> Hes hardly being inmpartial is he or thinking

> about the community when he argues on any chemist

> related matter !

Your summary on Sainsburys is not quite correct. If you had gone along to the Bara meeting, you could have found out the position on this. Its pretty complex. As everyone keeps saying, there's far more information available than can be posted on this forum.

[snorky]

IM not commenting on Sainsburys - Im commenting that Tannas vested interest in Chemists is hardly objective

[SimonM]

>>Your summary on Sainsburys is not quite correct.<<

I think it was. This was referring to the occasion several years ago when Boots opened a branch inside the DKH Sainsburys. Mr Tanna and other local chemists raised objections to this being a dispensing chemist and won the day, and good for them! There is now of course a dispensing chemist in the middle of the new Supersize DKH Sainsburys, but I;d never think of using it myself. (I have regular repeat prescriptions - some of the stuff quite expensive and you really do need the local/personal touch in this situation)

Mr Tanna is now retired and sold up to the Lewis chain so I'd not have thought he still retained the same level of vested interest. I think its fair to say though that local chemists offer so much more than any Sainsburys-type system.

I am not terribly objective about Mr Tanna as he was "my" chemist" before retirement and offered me an excellent level of service above and beyond the call, as it were.

That said, dispensaries inside GP surgeries are generally a fine idea!

[Ko]

Sorry I don't know if we are all talking about the same application as there was also another Sainsburys application which seemed to get turned down but it wasn't quite like that and then the dispensing pharmacy did not open. Sorry if I've confused things!

[Ko]

snorky Wrote:

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> you are being used here by the various factions of

> established and wannabe dispensing chemists in the

> area

>

> they are all bothered about money at the end of

> the day - you BARA supporters have been royally

> mugged by a bit of inflammatiory wording and fear

> of the unknown.

>

> SMASH THE CHEMIST FASCIST EXPLOITERS AND THE DUPED

> FORELOCK TUGGING BARA LACKEYS

Snorky, I'm able to read the information for myself. I can look up the facts for myself, I know how to read a statute, assess whether its a good piece of legislation and assess how well things are being handled under the principles of adminsitrative law and under the heading of 'common sense'. Have you read all the info to make up your mind? Its easily accessible. If you haven't, then you should. If you have, then great.:))

[snorky]

I try not to let minor issues like facts get in the way of a good old fashioned logic free shouty post

[rifleman harris]

dont worry

[AllforNun]

If it does not happen I will buy up on all the Mail on Sundays for a month in all the newspaper shops within close proximity to the DMC. Then BARA will know what cold turkey feels like.

[ChavWivaLawDegree]

Hahahaha

[macroban]

One of the things that remains unclear to me is who wrote the text of the petition.

Does anyone know?

[Quaywe]

This just in (my mail slot): "News from Tessa Jowel - update on Proposed new pharmacy at the Dulwich Medical Centre Crystal Palace Road"

It's seems that all of the rambling and whining that's been going on in this post for the past few weeks has been a FARCE! According to Tessa and the PCT - there is no plan for a needle exchange at the new DMC and there never was. She does quote that the reason for the confusion in the first place is because of the lack of a decent consultation period in the first place, however - if it really is true that this post was just created out of Chinese Whispers - then I think this is just a great laugh!

It really is true that you can't believe everything you read. BARA you might have to have a chat to your sources!