Neat summary of the EDF fave topics - The Times today (Lounged)

[katgod]

Dear Forumites,

I am afraid that Janice Turner has summed up the majority of our favourite topics in her column on page 17 of today's Times. So we should maybe just stop writing about Foxtons, property prices, poncification and inheritance tax?

She doesn't deal with religion or dog sh*t so maybe we should stick to those from now on?

Yours

Katgod

[landellite]

For those unable to justify lining Murdoch's pockets, here's the online version. :-)

[Michael Palaeologus]

We should demand commission!!

[fish]

Michael Palaeologus Wrote:

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> We should demand commission!!

>:D<

[Spangles30]

Thanks for the link. Janice Turner pretty much sums up why I am moving to Forest Hill.

[trinity]

Hmm

"Struming my pain with his fingers

Singing my life with his words

killing me softy with his song

killing me softly with his song

telling my whole life

with his words

killing me softly with his song"

[Asset]

If she doesn't live in ED I'll eat my hat. (prob reads this too).

[Brendan]

Yeah I reckon she must live here.

And like Spangles says. Sums up why we are seriously considering moving out to Kent.

[Spangles30]

She definitely lives in East Dulwich. She has mentioned it in her columns. Also she has mentioned the stolen LCD TVs in her local council gym - which is exactly what has just happened at the Fusion on Goose Green!!!!!

[Ondine]

She was very hardline leftie at university. Oh how we age.....

[Spangles30]

Turner describes the area as being 'poncey' (and potentially getting even poncier), and the bad attitudes of the waitresses in the 'prissy new tea salon'. People like me i.e. doctors, teachers etc. will be moving out due to the high cost, and you will get city bankers and monied lawyers moving in. It has already happened.

The ED area is aesthetically very nice, but I am not really the type to live in yummified, 'poncey' areas buying bread, albeit 'organic and made with olive oil costing ?5 from the streetmarket' (Turner's words!).

Perhaps this 'poncification' will happen to Forest Hill, Nunhead and Sydenham. **Shudder**

[Spangles30]

I know there is already a thread devoted to this, but I wanted to address a couple of the key point that are noted in the Times article by Janice Turner (6/10/07).

Do East Dulwich Forumites agree that the following is true about the area?

1) A greasy take-out joint has turned into an edgy, postmodern fish?n?chip brasserie, with stark benches and organic mushy peas.

2) Sequined scatter cushions and tea-light holders are available in at least three bijoux new boutiques.

3) A posh butcher and deli opened, replacing the cheapo ones bankrupted 12 years ago by Somerfield.

4) THIS ONE'S DEFINITELY TRUE: There are nine sets of twins in the course of a 30-minute stroll, due to the arrival of richer, older, IVF-requiring mummies.

5) The Saturday street market sells five quid organic olive bread,

6) the ?ironic? old-fashioned sweet shop has penny chews costing 23p . . . .

7) Bang goes the neighbourhood. All the useful shops, the hardware store, the glazier, will go. Chains will suck money from local firms to head offices. The shops will get poncier, the staff will get Notting Hill attitude, like the waitresses in the prissy new tea salon. All I can suggest is that everyone troop into Foxtons every day for coffee. Let?s put them and Caff? Nero out of business in one double shot.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Shouldnt you be busy setting up the forest hill forum or something by now?

the one fact to claim to be definitely true is demonstrably un true and im not sure what point it is you want to make

there is a parallel thread about ed not surviving an imminent recession. That too is equally pointless. And they both cant be true.

the times piece is ultimately a pleasant enough puff piece but no more than that

are all 7 points above a bad thing

if somerfield did put butchers out of business years ago was that a good thing? Not if the meat i got from there this week was anything to go by. So a butcher opening is a return to common sense and not a sign of an area going to the dogs. Imo

it wasnt eden before. Its not now. And it wont be when more city types arrive. But it remains the best mix i have found in london in 20 years

[*Bob*]

And as you said (of the above) in the other similar thread: "Janice Turner pretty much sums up why I am moving to Forest Hill"

But I have to say you seem a little confused. Only a week or so ago, with your 'where to move' thread, you said a number of times that you loved ED and you'd love to stay here - and it was only the fact that property cost so much and that you wanted more space which was driving you away.

You are, I would say, exhibiting all the signs of someone who has suddenly decided they don't like an area so much because they can't afford to buy what they want there. (I assume by the time you do arrive in Forest Hill you'll absolutely detest ED)

[SimonM]

I don't think Somerfield (or Sainsbury's for that matter) put any local burchers out of business. The really excellent Miles & Son of Sydenham also closed around then - and cited as the prime cause the new government rules, following a salmonella outbreak at a butchers in Scotland, requiring strict separation of cooked/cold meats from fresh. And as for the 9 sets of twins assertion...well really, how can this journalist possibly *know*?!

SimonM

[Administrator]

the thread "Is East Dulwich as 'PONCEY' as it's been described in Saturday's Times?" has been merged into this thread.

[Spangles30]

Bob, you're right I do like living in the area, and it is very alluring living in a poncified area (I used to live Chelsea) and obviously ED has changed over the years. In some ways for the better, in other ways for the worst. I find a lack of 'real' people in the area these days.

Sean, I am sorry but I agree with what Janice Turner said about the higher number of much older mothers in ED. I see it every day with my own eyes. There does seem to be an adundance of twins (possibly IVF ones) as she claims. What is your problem with that???? Many of the mothers I see with babies look at least late 30s or over 40. That is what Turner meant. She is right - or else the women look rather old and rather wrinkled for their age.

[Spangles30]

Incidentally, when I had my own child my midwives said that ED has a much higher than average number of new mothers aged 40plus, and a higher than average number of IVF children. And they should know, right?

[SeanMacGabhann]

Are you coming to the drinks on friday spangles? Plenty of real people there

i dont have a problem with mothers be they 30 or 40 something. You just will not see 9 sets of twins in 30 minutes. Which is the one point you singled out as definitely true. You will some twins. Over a day. Maybe. If you are looking for them. But i doubt it signifies much.

[Maurice]

What an excellent point - those who hate an area when it comes up indeed are those who are too late in attaining a larger property or a property at all.

[Spangles30]

Sean, Janice Turner is suggesting that "richer older, and possibly IVF requiring women' are moving into the area, and how do you know that she hasn't seen 9 sets of twins in 30 minutes? More to the point, how do you know that I haven't seen it?

I didn't know there were drinks on Friday, but I tend to go out in other parts of London these days, rather than ED. I don't like places like Liquorish and Black Cherry. Enjoy yourself! ;)

[mattham]

I'm interested to know what's so inherently evil about older parents with twins, IVF or otherwise. Not every couple you see with twins had IVF, but so what if they did? Likewise, not everyone who uses IVF are wealthy, older couples.

[Ganapati]

Keep it real Spangles. Keep it real. and #2 is definitely true.

[Maurice]

Spangles. Please come join us in Camberwell. Our average age for mothers is 15 and all on the NHS.

[Spangles30]

Mattam, I suggest you ask Janice Turner.