Brown bin collection - Council starting to charge?

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

"I?m the first to ask how to stop other people from using a stickered bin that isn't in their garden."

I know I'm not that memorable, but I did query that on 14.4.19.

[Rosetta]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

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> "I?m the first to ask how to stop other people

> from using a stickered bin that isn't in their

> garden."

>

> I know I'm not that memorable, but I did query

> that on 14.4.19.

So sorry, I did not see your query.

[Rosetta]

Peckhamgatecrasher Wrote:

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> "I?m the first to ask how to stop other people

> from using a stickered bin that isn't in their

> garden."

>

> I know I'm not that memorable, but I did query

> that on 14.4.19.

So sorry, I did not see your query.

Did you get an answer?

[Siduhe]

There are a couple of people on LL (near corner with Pellat) who have drilled holes/locks into their bins - presumably because they are fed up of people walking past and stuffing rubbish in.

I think about doing this every time a flat in the block next door moves out, doesn't have enough space in their own bins so dumps everything in ours until they are full to overflowing (we have the slim-line bins not the normal sized ones as we're a small household). Then I take a deep breath and figure it's only once every three to six months or so and live with it.

I imagine some people will do the same with their brown bins if neighbours use them without asking.

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

@Rosetta

No. I think I'll recruit an army of retired or flat-footed chaps to patrol our bins, armed with pitchforks. (They don't like it up 'em).

[Huggers]

I don't want a brown bin as its another ugly big thing in my front garden that will only get occasional use. Where can I take my garden waste besides the Old Kent Road depot? Does Peckham Rye park accept compost in their little enclosed gardeners bit? anywhere else? thanks

[redpost]

Hide it in the bottom of your green bin, that's what 99.5% of people are going to do and hit our abysmal recycling rates even further.

[Huggers]

Lidl are selling large green garden waste collapsible bins in sets of three today. I am going to keep mine in the garden and when all full drive them to the dump and empty them.

[Rosetta]

Will probably also get people fly tipping garden waste, albeit in bin bags.

[trinidad]

Actually the garden waste in London Borough of Lewisham id ?80.00 a year

https://lewisham.gov.uk/myservices/wasterecycle/garden-waste-collections/pay-for-garden-waste-collections

[mancity68]

Just ordered the large food bin as we will be getting rid of our garde waste bin only to be advised that delivery could take up to six weeks. Presumably it's going to be at least that long then before they start collecting back the large brown bins.

[herne hilly]

I was also wondering when they will collect the brown bins. Do u think they will put tags on the bin saying do not refill, to be collected within 7 days or something.

[mancity68]

We're just going to keep using ours until it goes.

[Countrlass22]

They did state keep putting food waste in compost able green bags in brown bin until the larger caddy is delivered.

Yes I agree poor guys leaning into brown bins just for few food bags which in my case only ours.

We share brown bin.

Lewisham 80 we definitely have it cheap then.

Should done the bigger caddies and smaller brown bin option like used do 12 years ago.

For small garden.

We had one on bellenden Road due small front yard ideal size never fill big brown bin.

As my garden low maintenance now.

I will probably pay for the brown bags. Keep in dry storage in garden so can't be nicked.

Put out full up on book collection day which starts after switch over I presume as no free ones left I'm told?

[trinidad]

how much are the brown bags going to charge?

[herne hilly]

trinidad Wrote:

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> how much are the brown bags going to charge?

a cost of ?15 for 20 bags from 1 June 2019 and i think you have to book them in for collection

[cordsm]

Has anyone received a sticker yet for their bin? It's been weeks since I paid and no sign of it yet....

[TheArtfulDogger]

Maybe we should have a "grass roots" revolution and organically grow a protest against this green tax

Let's plant the seeds of discontent about additional charges for services we already pay for in our council taxes before they spiral out like Japanese knot weed into other services

[Countrlass22]

Yes, 15 for 20 bags then u book collection that is free just bags pay for.

Stickers I'd ima be put on next week as starts June 1st.

We have 1 collection before changes however said put our food bags in till get our larger kitchen waste caddy.

Anyone wanting decent price food waste bags compost able lidl do nice box for 2.25 good size aswell unlike poundshop ones get way more bags than from sainsburys.

Strong with good tie handle shape edges

Il keep the larger kitchen caddy outside kitchen till bin days.

I ordered beginning May said 6 week backlog them.

Is large Borough Southwark so not surprising.

[DulwichFox]

cordsm Wrote:

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> Has anyone received a sticker yet for their bin?

> It's been weeks since I paid and no sign of it

> yet....

Me too. Still waiting ..

DulwichFox

[RichH]

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> Maybe we should have a "grass roots" revolution

> and organically grow a protest against this green

> tax

>

> Let's plant the seeds of discontent about

> additional charges for services we already pay for

> in our council taxes before they spiral out like

> Japanese knot weed into other services

I think you've certainly grasped the nettle there!

I'm still waiting for my sticker. I'd like to think that they're going to send them all out this week just in time for the start of the scheme. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if they haven't even printed them yet.

[Rosetta]

Wonder if Southwark will send trucks out to pick up all the bins that don?t have stickers. Any councillors know the answer?

[green ranger]

Rosetta Wrote:

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> Wonder if Southwark will send trucks out to pick

> up all the bins that don?t have stickers. Any

> councillors know the answer?

They?re going to put all the sticker-less brown bins in especially enlarged blue bins to be recycled at Southend by dumping them in the sea to obstruct any whales passing through the Channel

[rollflick]

Defra, the bit of the government that covers waste policy, has just consulted on a new national approach to dealing with waste. Rather than explain Southwark's plans for garden waste, it raises fundamental questions about them: see pp26-31 in

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/environmental-quality/consultation-on-consistency-in-household-and-busin/

First Defra suggests that "each household should be supplied with a fortnightly collection service for garden waste and that this service should be free of charge". Surely it's crazy for Southwark go through the hassle of introducing garden waste charges if the government is about to require it NOT to charge?!?

"Given the dispersal of subscribers across an authority, collection services for charged collections may be more inefficient and represent a higher cost per household serviced than when there is high participation in a free service. This is because vehicles might have further to travel between pickups and collect less material overall. In addition, monitoring of garden waste capture rates across the various disposal and recycling routes suggests that following the introduction of charging, large proportions of garden waste may be entering the residual waste stream.

... Our estimates are that if every householder with a garden had access to a free garden waste collection service then overall household recycling rates would increase by 6% points compared to their current levels, reducing the risk of this material ending up in landfill."

While that 6% figure is likely to be less in an inner London borough with many flats, there's still likely to be a net negative impact on the borough's recycling rate, which has been stagnating recently.

Second on food waste: "We therefore propose to require that from 2023, all local authorities offer all households separate weekly food waste collection. Generally food waste should be presented separately from garden waste, so that the food waste can ideally be sent to anaerobic digestion" (AD)

This is suggested because:

"When collected with garden waste, food waste cannot be sent to AD and is sent to in-vessel composting. Unlike AD, in-vessel composting does not produce biofuel for energy generation and is a comparatively more expensive waste treatment option. On the other hand, mixed food and garden waste collections can be more convenient as it does not require separate arrangements for collection of food and garden waste... [but] Technologies like in-vessel composting (IVC) and mechanical biological treatment (MBT) require mixed organic feedstocks with some amount of food waste to work optimally, and it is possible that separate collection of food waste may compromise the viability of these technologies....Where practicable, we would expect authorities that normally use IVC treatment for mixed food and garden waste to allow householders to present food waste separately and then to have this mixed with garden waste at kerbside, transfer station or treatment facility to meet long term contractual commitments to in-vessel composting facilities"

Are separate collections really practical for the whole borough though?

Southwark could simply collect food waste separately (e.g.flats in north of borough) from those areas where most homes have gardens, hence combined garden & food waste (e.g. ED and further south). Southwark is locked into a waste contract to 2033 with Veolia. The hassle and cost (financial and also environmental) of separate collection of garden & food waste, remixing the contents of our bins outside our front doors etc. is unlikely to outweigh the benefits, especially if food waste can be reduced through behaviour change campaigns. So surely worth waiting what the govt decides, rather than sending out lots of separate food caddies?

All in all seems Southwark's waste & cleansing department has made an almighty mess! Who will clear things up?

[James Barber]

You could not make this up!