Felling of oak trees in Sydenham Hill Wood

[Brian up the hill]

There is a proposal by Southwark Council to fell two mature oak trees in Sydenham Hill Wood. They are on the western (Dulwich) side of the Cox's Walk footbridge. The reason given is that major repairs can be carried out to the bridge's abutments and the bridge itself. Although there is no doubt that these repairs are necessary, the question arises as to why the trees need to be cut down. It would seem that the bridge was rebuilt in the 1980s when the trees were already mature, so it is doubtful that they are the cause of the damage to the structure. Extensive root ingress by ivy seems more likely to be the cause. Removing the trees could cause heave to destabilise the cutting slope as water which would have been take up by the trees, remains in the soil. Furthermore, the main reason for removing the trees would seem to be allow easier access for Southwark Highways Department, an issue which did not seem to prevent the rebuilding works in the eighties. Oaks are vital to the woodland ecosystem, especially mature oaks like these. Surely a more ecologically sound way could be devised of making the repairs, without felling two important trees like these?

[Angelina]

I agree that they should remain.

Southwark have a record of being too quick to cut down treees so I would be more than happy to provide any support

[se22cat]

Although I am entirely ignorant towards any reasoning why the trees are being earmarked for felling, it angers and frustrates me that, as Angelina says, the council seem to have an awful history with regards to felling, rather than trying to save trees. I absolutely adore the trees in the wood, especially the oaks and hope in the very least a second opinion is sought before we lose them.

[david_carnell]

Would this not be a matter for the London Wildlife Trust rather than the council?

[Angelina]

you would have thought, but the council don't seem to care much about trees - and the risk is they will be felled without a full understanding or discussion.

[kiera]

The decision to fell is the council's. The planning application which was open for objections was last year. The London Wildlife Trust objected at the time. Most people probably didn't know anything about it until after the council had given themselves permission to fell the two mature and healthy oak trees. https://planning.southwark.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=_STHWR_DCAPR_9581175

[Jules-and-Boo]

does that mean there is no time to appeal?

[Penguin68]

...and once again I ask, can you trust the council? And once again a thread gives the obvious answer...

[Zig-Zag]

And no chance of ever getting rid of this loathsome ignorant Council as the voting numbers politically will never change, so they are free to do whatever they like. How sad they are once again slyly killing beautiful old trees. So depressing

[mikeb]

Slightly off-topic but I noticed a number of recent sizeable trees felled on on the outer path in Dulwich Park when I was running round at the weekend.

[bob]

Can't you obtain some sort of preservation order to stop this.

Bob S

[Penguin68]

Tree Preservation Orders are issued by the local council who can also over rule them. What are your guesses about what will happen?

[savvygirl]

Perhaps The Woodland Trust should be made aware. It needs proper inspection and investigation by a structural engineer before such drastic steps are taken. Felling two mature oak trees in my book is a crime and if possible an alternative solution should be sought.

[bob]

P68 I wonder???

[seenbeen]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> Tree Preservation Orders are issued by the local

> council who can also over rule them. What are your

> guesses about what will happen?

nothing short of vandalism imo

[bob]

Agree

Bob S

[Penguin68]

Petition against this

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/save-the-cox-s-walk-footbridge-oak-trees?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1565107690&utm_campaign&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1Mvw9o2MHDm3gmo1jMs0lDsYSQe5XF7dBWeNSLsuvUGghoebULdxBFJ-8

[first mate]

How does this fit with Southwark's alleged commitment to greener, healthier streets, lowering pollution etc...etc...?

You really cannot trust them.

[Brian up the hill]

Thanks to Penguin68 for the petition link.

Yes, Kiera is right about the London Wildlife Trust objecting. It is worth remembering that LWT is a charity and is responsible for everyday management of the wood, including the mundane tasks like litter picking and dealing with dog mess as well as making the paths safer and mitigating excessive mud by building new paths and boardwalks. To do this, it relies on unpaid volunteers to give their time and efforts freely.

As they abut a public right of way. ie Cox's Walk, the trees are earmarked for felling by Southwark Highways Department. The issue is not that the bridge needs to be repaired, it does. Also it is an historical landmark due to its link with Pissarro. The issue is that the trees do not seem to be the direct cause of structural damage and they could be retained, especially as they form an important aesthetic grouping as sentinels for the bridge. Furthermore, their removal will have a dramatic effect on the balance of groundwater in the immediate area. Ground stabilty could be affected as it adjusts to the increased weight and pressure of water which otherwise would have been taken up by the trees and released back into the atmosphere as transpiration.

There should be a way to rebuild the abutments without removing the trees.

If you agree, please sign the petition as linked above if you have not done so already.

[ab29]

Can everyone please sign the petition - there aren't many signatures.

[hpsaucey]

Signed

[doody]

Is it possible to post some information at the site? There is a noticeboard there, for example. And maybe volunteers could leaflet people at approach to woods, to encourage to sign petition and also write to Southwark Council?

[Pugwash]

I have always found Southwark News keen to report on local stories/concerns.

[EPB]

Signed.

[MarkT]

The link to the planning application given above by Kiera (Aug 5th) now leads nowhere:

"Planning Application details not available

This application is no longer available for viewing. It may have been removed or restricted from public viewing"

Surely that is out of order, as the matter is still live - at least while the oak trees are.

Was the decision to remove the trees taken by a planning officer or by planning committee? Are there particular rules governing a planning decision by the Council on a Council project? and were those rules properly followed?

MarkT